Posted on 05/02/2005 12:03:36 PM PDT by murphE
Vatican I, papal supremacy and government of the Church, for starters.
How have they dissented from that exactly?
Do you receive Holy Communion in that foul mouth of yours?
Yes, and you should learn something from this. St. Peter didn't convert them by ranting about altar rails, communion in the hand, kneelers, the Latin Mass, and a million or so other obsessive compulsions of yours.
By rejecting the legitimate authority of an orthodox pope, consecrating bishops and establishing schismatic parallel structures.
You are the only one ranting here. Why do you have such a deep hatred of Tradition?
"La Salette" appears on the Index three times. The third entry is simply "La Salette" and not any particular book.
ROMAN CONGREGATION DECREES PROHIBITING CERTAIN WORKS RELATIVE TO MESSAGES ATTRIBUTED TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY AT LA SALETTE Including: "Rome Will Lose The Faith And Become The Seat Of Antichrist"
Page 594 Acts of the Apostolic See - Official BriefTHE SUPREME SACRED CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE GIVES A DECREE CONCERNING THE COMMONLY CALLED "SECRET OF LA SALETTE."
It has come to the attention of this Supreme Congregation that certain ones are not lacking, even from among the ecclesiastic assemblage who, responses and decisions of this Holy Congregation itself having been disregarded, do proceed to discuss and examine through books, small works and articles edited in periodicals, whether signed or without a name, concerning the so-called Secret of La Salette, its diverse forms and its relevance to present and future times; and, this not only without permission of the Ordinaries, but, also against their ban.
So that these abuses which oppose true piety and greatly wound ecclesiastical authority might be curbed, the same Sacred Congregation orders all the faithful of any region not to discuss or investigate under any pretext, neither through books, or little works or articles, whether signed or unsigned, or in any other way of any kind, about the mentioned subject. Whoever, indeed, violates this precept of the Holy Office, if they are priests, are deprived of all dignity and suspended by the local ordinary from hearing sacramental confessions and from offering Mass: and, if they are lay people, they are not permitted to the sacraments until they repent.
Moreover, let people be subject to the sanctions given both by Pope Leo XIII through the Constitution of the offices and responsibilities against those who publish books dealing with religious things without legitimate permission of superiors and by Urban VIII through the decree "Sanctissimus Dominus Noster" given on 13th March 1625 against those who publish asserted revelations without the permission of ordinaries. However, this decree does not forbid devotion towards the Blessed Virgin under the title of Reconciliatrix commonly of La Salette.
Given at Rome on 21st December, 1915.
Aloisius Castellano, S. R. and U. I. Notary.
p. 175 The Most Holy Congregation of the Holy Office
ACTS OF THE SUPREME CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE THE SUPREME CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE
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DECLARATION CONCERNING A CERTAIN WORK
Wednesday, 12th April 1916
In a general session of this Supreme Congregation of the Holy Office of the eminent and very reverend Lord Cardinals, Inquisitors General, in affairs of faith and morals declared the work to which the title "The Lesson about the Hospital of Notre Dame Explained about the Secret of La Salette" by Henry Mariave, from the general rules handed down in the Constitution of Offices and Responsibilities has been condemned and proscribed.
Given at Rome at the Holy Office on 13th April, 1916
Aloisius Castellanus, S. R. and U. Notary.
Pages 178/9 Acts of the Apostolic See - Official Brief
THE SACRED CONGREGATION OF THE INDEX
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DECREE
Of Monday, 5th day of June 1916
The Sacred Congregation of the most Eminent and Reverend Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, held in the Vatican Apostolic Palace, the fifth day of June, 1916, by our Most Holy Lord, Pope Benedict XV, and, the Holy Apostolic See for the index of books of depraved doctrine, and, for the proscription of the same set forth and delegated in the universal Christian Republic, do condemn and have condemned, have proscribed and will proscribe and order and have ordered that the works which follow or have at another time been condemned and proscribed be referred into the Index of Prohibited Books:
Dr. HENRY MARIAVÉ, The Lesson of the Notre Dame Hospital of Ypres - Interpretation of the Secret of La Salette, Volume I, Paris, 1915; Volume II, Appendices, Montpellier, 1915, (Holy Office Decree. 12th day of April 1916).
And so let nobody of whatever rank or condition dare either to publish aforementioned works which have been condemned and proscribed in whatever place or whatever reason, or to read or retain published things under penalties indicated in the Index of Forbidden Books.
After these things were related to our most Holy Pope Benedict XV, by me, the undersigned secretary, his Holiness approved the decree and ordered it to be promulgated.
Given at Rome on 6th June, 1916
L. † S
Fr. CARD. DELLA VOLPE, Prefect
Thomas Esser. 0. P., Secretary
pp.287/8 The Most Holy Congregation of the Holy Office
ACTS OF THE MOST HOLY CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE THE MOST HOLY CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE
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DECREE THAT CONDEMNS THE WORKS OF M. MIR AND I. DE RECALDE
DECREE
Wednesday, 2nd day of May 1923
Given at Rome from the publishers of the Holy Office on the 4th day of May, 1923.
Aloisius Castellano,
The Most Holy Congregation of the Holy Office Notary.
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THE LITTLE WORK IS CONDEMNED: "THE APPARITION OF THE VERY HOLY VIRGIN OF LA SALETTE"
DECREE
Wednesday, 9th May 1923
In a General Session of the Supreme Holy Congregation of the Holy Office, eminent and reverend Lord Cardinals appointed for protecting the faith and morals, proscribed and condemned the little work The Apparition of the Most Holy Virgin on the holy mountain of La Salette, Saturday 19 September 1845. - Simple Reprinting of the entire public text by Mélanie, etc. Society Saint-Augustine, Paris-Rome-Bruges, 1922; ordering those to whom it looks to take care to withdraw examples of the condemned book from the hands of the faithful.
And the same holiday and day of the Most Holy Lord. N. D. by the foresight of divine providence Pope Pius XI, in the customary audience of R. P. D. Assessor of the Holy Office has commissioned the report himself and approved the resolution.
Given at Rome from the Holy Office on 10th May, 1923.
Aloisius Castellanus, S. R. and U. Notary.
"His {Paul VI's} meddling in affairs while being suckered by Metropolitan Nikodim allowed the VC to re-arm for the Tet Offensive. Paul VI cost the U.S. that war."
I think we are done talking, if you actually believe that baloney. I don't know think I have never heard a more ridiculous statement.
Regards
No, the leader of the entire SSPX movement, Archbishop Lefebvre did.
St. Peter didn't convert them either with useless apologies that never do anything but make the demand for more apologies.
St. Peter never left them with the impression that they were okay still waiting for the Messiah on their own and the Christians would be okay with Jesus.
St.Peter of course tried to pretend to syncretize his actions with those of the Jews. But a bishop took him to task and by all accounts of the temperament of that bishop, no Pope has probably been chewed out in public worse since. Despite the fact that many of them have deserved it worse than St. Peter.
It was that same bishop that spoke the Word of God himself when he said, "If WE or any other even an Angel of light preach any Gospel other than the one we've given, Flee from them."
Christopher A. Ferrara
President and Chief Counsel
Born New York, New York 1952
BA Fordham University, 1973
JD Fordham University School of Law, 1977.
Mr. Ferrara was engaged in the general practice of law in New York and New Jersey from 1977 to 1991, gaining wide experience in trial level and appellate litigation.
In 1990 Mr. Ferrara founded the American Catholic Lawyers Association and, since approximately 1991, has concentrated his practice on the pro-bono representation of Catholics in religious and civil liberties cases, both civil and criminal, both plaintiff and defense.
Mr. Ferrara has a number of significant appellate victories to his credit including the recent decision of the Second Circuit in Spitzer v. Operation Rescue, striking down an expanded injunction against pro-life activists under FACE, and narrowing the grounds for liability under FACE for the alleged making of threats.
Mr. Ferrara has also won a number of acquittals and dismissals of pro-life activists at the trial level and obtained an appellate court reversal of a $109 million verdict against pro-life activists in Portland, Oregon, whose reinstatement by a sharply divided (6-5) en banc panel is now the subject of continued proceedings in the federal district court.
Mr. Ferrara is a widely published author on Catholic Church affairs and co-authored The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Remnant Press, 2002).
What have you done for Christ, Clive?
Laying aside you're opinion of the actions of Archbishop Lefebvre, what has he got to do with this letter I posted? Did you even read it? You made charges that these gentlemen, the authors are in dissent, that they reject the authority of the pope. How have the authors done this?
The leader of the SSPX movement lack of movement into Modernism is the Holy Ghost.
It is well known that the newspaper the Remnant promotes schismatic parallel structures such as the Society of St. Pius X, even if it is not formally tied to it. And yes, I did read the arrogant letter in which the gentlemen in question lectured the Pope.
"This ecclesial decay, whose existence every sensible Catholic now admits, is certainly related to the de facto suppression of the traditional Latin Mass by your predecessor Pope Paul VI, a decision that even Your Holiness, then Cardinal Ratzinger, rightly described as “a breach into the history of the liturgy whose consequences could only be tragic.”" Michael Matt and Chris Ferrara
It seems like these three are pretty much in agreement.
I guess the Holy Spirit was not present in the Sistine Chapel then. How sad that you follow your holy father Lefebvre into schism and reject the successor of Peter.
First I suggest you untwist your double negatives.
Then, Just curious but why is it "baloney"?
Is that just a mindless knee-jerk reaction?
It is well known that Rome promotes schismatic parallel structures such as the Eastern Orthodox Church, even if it is not formally tied to it.
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