You do realize that Fiore exactly agrees with what I quoted? Martin was dispensed from his vows, excepting chastity, and the obligations and privileges of the Catholic priesthood. That is called "laicization".
Martin's status was, I think, unclear. But Fr. Fiore's statements based upon his confidence in the representations of his friend can hardly constitute a proof sufficient to make it unreasonable to believe the Vatican and Jesuit statements on the subject.
On "Almighty God", "great thumb", etc. Here is the prayer:
Almighty God, the Great Thumb we cannot evade to tie any knot, the Roaring Thunder that splits mighty trees, the all-seeing Lord on high who sees even the foot prints of an antelope on a rock mass here on Earth, you are the one who does not hesitate to respond to our call. You are the cornerstone of peace.
Is it really your contention that "the Great Thumb we cannot evade to tie any knot" should not be understood metaphorically? Is there any other rational explanation? How could God be literaly both a "great thumb" and a "roaring thunder"? Again, why is the "great thumb" part, which doesn't even begin the prayer, referred to but not the "Almighty God", etc.? I am perfectly right in stating that this conveys a mistaken impression, which was certainly mine upon first seeing the stuff about praying to the "Great Thumb", that is, that the "great thumb" was to be understood of a literal thumb that was being worshiped. Now, I am not a big fan of the whole Assisi thing, but criticism has to be on-target to be effective.
As for the stuff about intellectually inferior, I have never stated such a thing, so where you get it from is beyond me. I would appreciate a reply, since you were the one who initiated that discussion anyway.
Not hardly.
Malachi Martin never left the Catholic priesthood, but was personally dispensed from his vows of poverty and obedience by Paul VI on leaving the Jesuits in 1964. I have seen and authenticated his dispensation papers. He did not seek release from his vow of chastity. When he came to New York, Cardinal Cooke gave him priestly faculties, and advised him to find lodging with a family rather than live alone as he initially did.
If Cardinal Cooke gave him priestly faculties, he was a priest in good standing, no?
But Fr. Fiore's statements based upon his confidence in the representations of his friend can hardly constitute a proof sufficient to make it unreasonable to believe the Vatican and Jesuit statements on the subject.
It proved what it needed to in order to refute what Black Elk was saying about Fr. Martin, but you are walking into the middle of a conversation, once again.
You cannot see any reason why the "Vatican" and Jesuit statements may be, ahem, intentionally misleading, no reason why they would want to discredit Fr. Martin? You believe who you want to believe.
On "Almighty God", "great thumb", etc. Here is the prayer:
Yeah, name one saint who would have done the same thing. I'm not alone in this, Fr. Echert from the EWTN expert forum shares my opinion. Oh by the way, you might know this, if JPII is canonized, will he be the first saint in history to have ever kissed the Koran? I'm not talking about any saints who were converts from Islam prior to becoming Catholic either.
As for the stuff about intellectually inferior, I have never stated such a thing
Sure you did, and you asked me to drop out of the discussion because of it, I'm obliging.