Pope to visit German synagogue

Jerusalem Post ^ | May 15, 2005

[Luddite Patent Counsel]

And I am sure you are rather upset that us heretics aren't being taken care of the old fashioned way, eh?

Yes, actually, if by "the old fashioned way" you mean sending committed, Godly missionaries to bring the Truth to the unenlightened. Voluntary assent to Truth is one of the keys to salvation.

[Luddite Patent Counsel]

Heretic, infidel or a pagan, standard shorthand for Jew.

What's the standard shorthand for "paranoid"?

[Bella_Bru]

Sorry, we aren't going away.

[Luddite Patent Counsel]

Sorry, we aren't going away.

I don't recall having asked you to do so. No need to apologize.

[bruin66]

Worshipping with pagans and heretics is quite another.

idiot

[netmilsmom]

>>Just so you know, I do not think that Luddite's comments are representative of the feelings of all FR Catholics.<<

Thank you!
It makes me angry.

[Luddite Patent Counsel]

Worshipping with pagans and heretics is quite another.

idiot

How odd that you would quote my post, then simply sign your name. But thanks for the heads-up, anyway.

[netmilsmom]

You know, just because you are paranoid does not mean that there is no one after you.

Catholics get it all the time on FR. We get non-Catholic trolls on the threads which have "Mary", "Pope" or "Rosary" in the title to "minister" to us about how wrong we are. When we state the obvious, that we do not minister on non-Catholic threads, they call us victims and paranoid.

I always state that these people would not go onto a Jewish thread and state how wrong they are. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that slamming the Jews would happen on a Catholic thread.

Puleeeeez!

[Luddite Patent Counsel]

I'm reviewing the posts here, and wondering where on Earth you got the wild notion that I was in any way "slamming Jews". If you want to argue that Catholic Tradition does not require at a very minimum belief in the divinity of Christ for salvation, you can do so, but you'd be on pretty shaky theological ground. Merely stating the position of the catholic Church for the better part of 2000 years is hardly "slamming Jews". I can't help it if longstanding terms for non-believers make you uncomfortable, but any perjorative connotations associated with such terms are purely in your own mind.

[malakhi]

If they called you that simply because you are Episcopalian and not because they know that you are very pro-Zionist, then the only reason they call you an "honorary Jew" is because they assume you're liberal.

Why is that? Because "Jew = liberal"?

[malakhi]

Yes, actually, if by "the old fashioned way" you mean sending committed, Godly missionaries to bring the Truth to the unenlightened.

JPII obviously didn't have much luck with you. Maybe Benedict XVI will fare better.

[BlackElk]

Vigilo: Just because she was Jewish, do you suppose that Mary was in darkness????? She even had as her Child a Rabbi! How about Him? Was He in darkness? Oh, the scandal!!!!

By the way, lest there be misunderstanding, do you CLAIM to be Roman Catholic? If so, do you nonetheless adhere to the SSPX which was declared a schism by John Paul II? If not, some other form of Christian? Credit for your post needs to be allocated where it belongs.

A story told of St. Ignatius Loyola, Jesuit founder, has it that one of his early priests approached him and warned him that another Jesuit, Fr. Lainez, was a Morano or secret Jew. Ignatius immediately responded to the warning by saying: "How very fortunate Fr. Lainez must be to be related not only to Mary but also to His Blessed Mother!" Lainez later became Superior general of the Jesuits.

Rumor also has it that each and every one of the Twelve Apostles and Jude Thaddeus as well and St. John the Baptist and St. Paul were, well, Jewish and that each of them acquired the new first name: Saint!

[netmilsmom]

>>I can't help it if longstanding terms for non-believers make you uncomfortable<<

The same words have been used for Catholics, by non-Catholic here. None of it being in good taste.

It may have been the position of the Catholic Church for a long time but it is not now. Are you Catholic or a Heretic yourself?

[BlackElk]

Vigilo may or may not be Catholic. I certainly am Catholic. May I apologize to both of you for yet one more insult hurled in your direction, regardless of the source within Christianity. More importantly, B-16 is certainly Catholic. Please do not ascribe to him or to the Church today the anti-Jewish sentiments too often posted here.

The holocaust experienced by your people in the 1930s and 1940s is not going to happen again. To get to you, they will have to come through us. I promise that and I know I am not alone among Catholics by any means.

[Petronski]

To get to you, they will have to come through us. I promise that and I know I am not alone among Catholics by any means.

I'm down for that.

This thread is disturbingly ugly. My apologies as well.

[BlackElk]

Thanks for your understanding.

The Catholic Church has suffered a nasty little minor schism in 1988 and subsequently in which an offensive little group of people known as SSPX or the Society of St. Pius X have been lashing out in hatred against Catholicism (and not just Catholicism) since they were declared schismatic and their leaders excommunicated by John Paul II. Anything John Paul II did just HAD to be evil accroding to these malcontents who resent the discipline imposed upon them by him. Benedict XVI was JP II's closest protege and is therefore on their enemies' list as well. They do NOT speak for Catholicism no matter what they call themselves on the Internet or elsewhere. Pay no attention to them and do not take them as serious people or regard them as Catholics. Catholics don't.

[Bella_Bru]

Hiya, BlackElk. I am aware that the majority of Catholics had no issue with JPII visiting a synagogue or his close relationship withg the chief rabbi of Rome, nor would they have an issue with B-16 carrying on that relationship. There is, however, the ever present vocal minority, who is doing more harm to the RCC than Luther could have ever done with their constant handwringing, ire, and schismatic behavior.

[BlackElk]

Catholics, following John Paul II (and many probably earlier than that) consider Jews to be our elder siblings in Faith. Without Judaism, there would have been no Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ, there would be no Catholicism and no Christianity more generally. Or, in short, without Judaism, there could be NO CATHOLICISM and NO CHRISTIANITY.

[BlackElk]

May you and yours receive every blessing.

[SolomoninSouthDakota]

Thanks for the reply. I didn't know I was contesting with SSPX type. They do seem to carry an unreasonable anti Jew bias don't they?