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To: biblewonk
The devils cannot do the following: (1) Produce any kind of truly supernatural phenomenon

Tell that to Job.

Not all phenomena outside of nature is supernatural. Supernatural phenomena is that of God, preternatural phenomena is outside of nature, but not of God, which is what devils can do.

39 posted on 05/20/2005 8:30:40 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE; biblewonk
Semantic difference, Supernatural in this case, is meant as a synonym for miraculous. In modern language miraculous is oft abused, just as the word adore is misused.

"I adore your dress" would imply an act of idolatry at one time.
40 posted on 05/20/2005 8:35:12 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: murphE

You are so correct. The devil can deceive us in many forms. One needs only to watch "The Passion of the Christ" to bring that message to one's heart.

Another way to look at it is to look at the different times Satan appears in the Bible:
serpent in the Garden of Eden,
temptation to build a golden calf to the people waiting for Moses to come down from the mountain,
to Christ in person after fasting for forty days,
again a serpent in the Garden of Gethsemane -- at least in the movie (Not sure if that is in a Gospel or not.)


49 posted on 05/20/2005 10:18:44 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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