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To: jo kus

The Catholic Church..was cast into a protestant way in Vatican 2 along with the virtues and morals of those of many unfortunatley...No excuses,then as now sin is sin ,Heaven is there and so is hell,you chose your own path no one else to blame..fear God and love Him in His Church...conversions mean Convert to Christ..then as now...ask the martyrs of the Catholic Church. Would they recognize the Church today..I don't think so!!!!!
Priests used to know why they became priests to save souls, to CONVERT souls to His Catholic Faith founded by Christ...they need to be reminded now....sad.


11 posted on 05/25/2005 4:37:01 PM PDT by Rosary (Pray the Rosary daily)
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To: Rosary

You said "...The Catholic Church..was cast into a protestant way in Vatican 2 along with the virtues and morals of those of many unfortunatley"

I disagree. And the virtues/morals of people in general have declined, even before Vatican 2.

You said "...conversions mean Convert to Christ..then as now...ask the martyrs of the Catholic Church. Would they recognize the Church today..I don't think so!!!!! "

Yes, but the Catholic Church itself has never considered that a person must be enrolled in a Catholic Church to be saved. Father Fenney's declaration was determined to be incorrect, before Vatican 2. The Church Fathers have considered that the Greek philosophers, such as Socrates, were "pre-Christian" and were saved. The beginning of Romans talks about a Law written onto the Gentiles heart that acts as a law, even though they didn't have the Jewish Law. If you read the Constitution of the Church, you will find that even those who are not Christian can be saved, if they follow their conscience. Of course, they are saved by Christ, albeit unknowingly. But all the same, they don't have to even know who Christ is, if they do what Christ did...LOVE.

As to the martyrs, there have been more martyrs in the Church of the 20th Century then any other time. Would the Apostles have recognized the Church of 1900? I doubt it, although it would have been very familiar to them.

You said "...Priests used to know why they became priests to save souls, to CONVERT souls to His Catholic Faith founded by Christ...they need to be reminded now....sad."

The Church was in this state BEFORE the Protestant Reformation. Most of the priests then had unclear motives for becoming a priest, and most did not know the faith - which explains such things as the sale of indulgences and the major focus on Mary, often to the exclusion of Jesus, during the Medieval period.

The Church goes through high and low points. I am convinced, after studying Church History, that these things going on today are typical of what happens throughout its history. There are up's and down's. These low periods are incentives for renewal and reform within the Church. Human nature cannot remain at a high point throughout history. Forgeting the parable of the wheat and the weeds, the Montanists to the Jansenists to the SSPX have thought that the Church should be more holy. This thinking has led to schism. Beware of this Pharasaical thinking, Rosary. The Church is a hospital for sinners. Trust in God and continue to have faith that He is guiding His Church, the same one that has the power to bind and loosen what has been already determined in heaven.

Brother in Christ


15 posted on 05/25/2005 6:18:36 PM PDT by jo kus
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