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To: jo kus; NYer; Canticle_of_Deborah

So the fact of the matter remains that Vatican 2 DID NOT cause the problems we have!!!!!!!
There you said it Brother! Do you really think the devil would have half a chance if all the reverence,piety,respect,love and fear of God,through HIS founded Catholic Church,HIS Latin Tridentine Mass and the Seven Sacraments were kept as they were ???? Who do you think Did all that Vatican 2..NOT THE HOLY GHOST! Why did the priests and nuns suddenly forget why they became religious and put away their habits? The Catholic Church is the biggest religion in the world BECAUSE Christ founded IT HIMSELF.
You don't have to answer 100 questions to be a Catholic , Jesus said to enter the Kingdom of Heaven you must be like a little child...simple,honest,innocent ect. He never said you all goota be all knowledge and wisdom ,read books, know all answers! Christ said I will be with you always..Vatican 2 caused this world to fall....the day the Churches cast out the altar and faced the people instead of the tabernacle,the little house where Jesus was! He gave mankind Seven Sacrments and Ten Commandments to live by.He sent His Apostles to teach all nations Baptizing them and He left us Himself in the Bread of Life...where is the love of God???
YES, go to the nearest Latin Tridentine Mass and then tell me it doesn't penetrate your very soul...It is the Mass that matters!
May the Holy Ghost open your eyes....Go to a Latin Tridentine MasS...


16 posted on 05/26/2005 5:12:44 PM PDT by Rosary (Pray the Rosary daily and wear the brown scapular)
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To: Rosary

Vatican 2..did cause the problem and still does..not the Holy Ghost.


17 posted on 05/26/2005 6:40:05 PM PDT by Rosary (Pray the Rosary daily and wear the brown scapular)
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To: Rosary

"HIS (Jesus's) Latin Tridentine Mass"

I didn't realize that Jesus instituted the Last Supper (the First Mass) in Latin. Nor did I realize that He faced away from the Apostles when He said "take and eat, this is My Body"...

I wonder if those who spoke Aramaic complained like you are when the Mass began to be spoken in Greek. And I wonder if the Greek speakers complained that the Mass switched to Latin...

If you think that God can be worshipped ONLY in Latin, you have a twisted idea of what Catholicism is...It is meant to reach out to all cultures, not just Western Europe. You are focusing on a result, not the cause of the problem in our churches.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on the causes of the declining numbers at the Mass, etc. You believe it is the language spoken during Mass. I believe it is that many American Churches don't preach the dogma of Catholicism. When the priests don't believe in Transubstantiation, why would the lay people? This goes back to before Vatican 2, and accelerated due to the lack of discipline of those dissenting from implementing Vatican 2. Do you really think people are falling away from the Church because of faulty translations, and other such things? Hardly. There is no conversion to Christ.

Brother in Christ


18 posted on 05/26/2005 7:25:50 PM PDT by jo kus
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