[biblewonk]

What question, you mean "who said it"? Please get serious.

[Mark in the Old South]

Well that will be a good start. Since you seem determined to avoid the passage and its' meaning to the topic we can start with that. If it makes you more comfortable. I figure once you get your toe in the water you will be more forthcoming. I wouldn't want to push you too hard, it has been like pulling teeth as it is.