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To: seamole
In Latin, the Catholic Church refers to the ordination of presbyters, not sacerdos. In English, presbyter and sacerdos are both translated as "priest". After a lifetime of protestant indoctrination, you do not understand "priest" to mean "presbyter", but the word "priest" comes from the Latin "presbyter", not "sacerdos". Obviously, the corruption of the meaning of "priest" in English came by the overloading of the word to include "sacerdos".

I was a card carrying athiest for the first 21 years of my life so you may be making a bit of an assumption here. It has been argued all along here and on other threads that Catholic Priests are Priests in every sense of the word. You can not now try and redefine the term "Catholic Priest" back down to a mere elder. An elder is simply an offical oversear of a local assembly but he is not a priest in anyway. He does not make sacrifices and he is not an interceeder(sp) for the flock anymore than anyone else is.

270 posted on 05/31/2005 5:14:47 AM PDT by biblewonk (Socialism isn't all bad.)
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To: biblewonk
An elder is simply an offical oversear of a local assembly but he is not a priest in anyway. He does not make sacrifices and he is not an interceeder(sp) for the flock anymore than anyone else is.

The word you're looking for is "intercessor".

Nothing in Scripture spells out the duties of an elder within the assembly. It spells out his qualifications, but doesn't tell you what he does. You're assuming that what your church calls an "elder" is what an "elder" was in the First Century church; that is, you're setting your own tradition up as judge and jury.

It might make more sense to actually go back to First C. Christian writings and let them tell you.

What you'll find -- summarizing -- is that "elders" report back to the "overseer" (bishop) and preside over the Sunday Eucharistic assembly, which is uniformly described as a "sacrifice".

Your move if you wish, but to me and mine: checkmate.

293 posted on 05/31/2005 12:51:48 PM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: biblewonk; seamole

Ummmnhh...

Perhaps you've not noticed, but your ridiculous claims about priesthood in the RC Church were more than adequately addressed by your interlocutor.

Was atheism bad for your reading skills?


295 posted on 05/31/2005 1:11:43 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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