So you deny that the RCC teaches we are born deprived of Grace because of God's punishment?
You also deny that the RCC teaches that in the Purgatory the unrepented sins are "paid off" with indulgencies, and that deprated souls are in physical and spiritual torment until God is satisfied?
Interesting.
Interesting indeed, since this is what I was taught in RC schools while growing up. Things have certainly changed.
Maybe St. Nino has taken over the female icon place there, I don't know? She and St. George were everywhere.
Yes. Indulgences "pay" for unperformed penances. They have nothing to do with the remission of sins. No indulgence can remit even the slightest sin.
The Baltimore Catechims No. 4:
232 Q. Is an indulgence a pardon of sin, or a license to commit sin?
A. An indulgence is not a pardon of sin, nor a license to commit sin, and one who is in a state of mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.
and that deprated souls are in physical and spiritual torment until God is satisfied?
It is not a matter of satisfying God, as if He is in need, but perfecting us. We cannot fuly enter into bliss while the remains of venial sin or penances remain upon us, while such things also do not merit damnation. To look at it as satisfaction, look at it as satisfying God's desire for us to be perfect (St. Matthew 5.48) and follow His Holy Will (St. Matthew 6.10).
The Baltimore Catechism No. 4:
414. Q. What is Purgatory?
A. Purgatory is the state in which those suffer for a time who die guilty of venial sins, or without having satisfied for the punishment due to their sins."Punishment,"--that is, temporal punishment, already explained to you. ... Those in Purgatory are the friends of God; and knowing Him as they do now, they would not go into His holy presence with the slightest stain upon their souls; still they are anxious for their Purgatory to be ended that they may be with God. They suffer, we are told, the same pains of sense as the damned; but they suffer willingly, for they know that it is making them more pleasing to God, and that one day it will all be over and He will receive them into Heaven. Their salvation is sure, and that thought makes them happy.
As to Temporal Punishment, the Baltimore Catechism No. 4 also cogently explains:
218. Q. Why does the priest give us a penance after confession?
A. The priest gives us a penance after confession, that we may satisfy God for the temporal punishment due to our sins."Temporal Punishment," Every sin has two punishments attached to it. one called the eternal and the other the temporal. Let me explain by an example. If I, turning highway robber, waylay a man, beat him and steal his watch, I do him, as you see, a double injury, and deserve a double punishment for the twofold crime of beating and robbing him. He might pardon me for the injuries caused by the beating, but that would not free me from the obligation of restoring to him his watch or its value, for the fact that he forgives me for the act of stealing does not give me the right to keep what justly belongs to him. Now, when we sin against God we in the first place insult Him, and secondly rob Him of what is deservedly His due; namely, the worship, respect, obedience, love, etc., that we owe Him as our Creator, Preserver, and Redeemer.
In the Sacrament of Penance God forgives the insult offered by sinning, but requires us to make restitution for that of which the sin has deprived Him. ... after performing the penance the priest gives you in the confessional, it is wise to impose upon yourself other light penances in keeping with your age and condition, but never undertake severe penances or make religious vows and promises without consulting your confessor. In every case be careful first of all to perform the penance imposed upon you in the reception of the Sacrament.
220. Q. Why does God require a temporal punishment as a satisfaction for sin?
A. God requires a temporal punishment as a satisfaction for sin to teach us the great evil of sin, and to prevent us from failing again.221. Q. Which are the chief means by which we satisfy God for the temporal punishment due to sin?
A. The chief means by which we satisfy God for the temporal punishment due to sin are: prayer, fasting, almsgiving, all spiritual and corporal works of mercy, and the patient suffering of the ills of life."Chief," but not the only means. "Fasting," especially the fasts imposed by the Church-in Lent for instance. Lent is the forty days before Easter Sunday during which we fast and pray to prepare ourselves for the resurrection of Our Lord, and also to remind us of His own fast of forty days before His Passion. "Almsgiving"--that is, money or goods given to the poor. "Spiritual" works of mercy are those good works we do for persons' souls. "Corporal" works of mercy are those we do for their bodies. "Ills of life"--sickness or poverty or misfortune, especially when we have not brought them upon ourselves by sin.
Temporal Punishment is not some superaddatory punishment because Christ's death on the Cross was not fully sufficient to atone for sin. Nor is it a means of slacking God's "anger" at our sin. Our own confession does that, by turning us from the creature and to God, so that we are no longer projecting our wrath at the demands of His Holy Law upon Him. Temporal Punishment gives back to God that which is His due in our lives - "love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with all thy strength and with all thy mind" (St. Luke 10.27, Deuteronomy 6.5), and which we stole from him by imparting some of it to wickedness.
Temporal Punishment is a means of perfection by turning us back to God after sin, and warding us away from sinning again.
Its dissapointing to hear that Catholic Schools are not able to inculcate such basic lessons from the Catechism, and that instead children are learning typical Protestant calumnies about paying off sins with indulgences, and heresies like God the torturer.