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On the Interpretation of Revelation
When the Stars Fall: A Messianic Commentary on the Revelatoin | 6/21/05 | Michael D. Bugg

Posted on 06/21/2005 4:27:46 PM PDT by Buggman

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To: blue-duncan

They have nothing to do with Process theology. I think you have confused Dodd with Cobb. Dodd was a Presbyterian.


121 posted on 06/22/2005 9:35:07 PM PDT by bluepistolero
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To: P-Marlowe

Yes, I believe that the biblical account of the ark and the account of Jonah is true. Do I also believe that they are metaphors, giving the discerning student a deeper understanding of biblical truth? yes.


122 posted on 06/22/2005 9:38:24 PM PDT by bluepistolero
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To: blue-duncan
Ahh, even the conflicted Barnhouse says that at the fifth seal "the judgment proceedings have commenced." If this is not the age of grace, then the church has been taken out it would appear. The cry for judgment could very well be the cry for The Judgment.

If I were to say that the judgment procedings of a court hearing had commenced, would you suppose that that meant that the judgment had been carried out? The proceedings in the court of the Lord have commenced by the fifth seal, but the sentence--the wrath of the Day of the Lord--has not yet started.

You have kept me up too long, a pox on your house.

*chuckle* Sorry about that. Sleep well and God bless, my friend.

123 posted on 06/22/2005 9:40:58 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: bluepistolero
In other words, you just don't like what I have to say. Not that you can provide any real support for your declaration that my work is unscholarly--you're just going to throw mud, make some meaningless chatter about how complex the issue of eschatology is and how the Bible doesn't really mean what it says, and be wise in your own conceits.

I submit myself and my every belief to the Scriptures; you seek to judge them. If that makes me a fool in your eyes, then I praise Yeshua that I am God's fool instead of a fool of the world.

124 posted on 06/22/2005 9:46:42 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: bluepistolero; P-Marlowe
Was Yeshua literally born of a virgin?
Was He literally born in Bethlehem?
Did He literally go to Egypt?
Did He literally ride into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey to proclaim Himself King?
Was He literally pierced in His hands and feet?
Did He literally rise from the dead?

If the answer to all these is yes, then what do you have against the literal interpretation of prophecy?

125 posted on 06/22/2005 9:51:56 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Having fun? :-)


126 posted on 06/22/2005 9:52:21 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: bluepistolero
Very good.

Now, God wrote on the plates of stone in his own hand: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is..." Do you believe God?

BTW since you were kind enough to answer my last question, the communion literally tastes like crackers and grape juice which, of course, interferes with any belief I might have that it is "literally" the flesh and blood of Christ. However, Jesus did say he was the "Bread" so if you want to get technical....

127 posted on 06/22/2005 10:02:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Buggman

Loads


128 posted on 06/22/2005 10:03:14 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: blue-duncan
"and tell everyone who the Antichrist REALLY is." I think Edward Klein already beat you to it, but every one knew her.

ROTFL!!!! Love it!

129 posted on 06/22/2005 10:18:43 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Buggman

Very interesting Buggman. My favorite subject. Looking forward to more and to your book.


130 posted on 06/22/2005 10:20:38 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Buggman

Very interesting Buggman. My favorite subject. Looking forward to more and to your book.


131 posted on 06/22/2005 10:21:09 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: blue-duncan

P.S. That was Seiss, not Barnhouse.


132 posted on 06/22/2005 10:27:02 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Great post, P-Marlowe! I fully agree with you!


133 posted on 06/22/2005 10:28:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: bluepistolero
Amen.

"I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right." -- Isaiah 45:19

"Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing." -- John 18:20

134 posted on 06/23/2005 12:59:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Buggman
I really haven't meant to cast aspersions, just helping to save you from yourself. Eschatology, no matter what denomination or sect you belong to, is extremely difficult. For instance, not only must the history and belief of the Jews be contrasted and compared to the Christian, but the eschatology of the nation of Israel must be understood as well as the eschatology of the individual believer.

Having worked in publishing, I have to wonder who you intend for your audience to be. Are you going to submit it for publication? If so, you might need to defend it in comparison to the works of other theologians. Or, are you going to publish it yourself? If so, who will you market it to? A book with no audience is a lot of hours wasted.

I googled your name to see if you had other publications but all I found by the same name was a treatise on something that looked like it had to do with Dungeons and Dragons. If that piece of writing is yours, perhaps theology is not your strong suit.

135 posted on 06/23/2005 1:04:58 AM PDT by bluepistolero
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Yes, for the book of Revelation to be understood, one must start with that first great prophet, Moses, and proceed from there. It is really not all that complicated. Thank you for your import.


136 posted on 06/23/2005 1:09:36 AM PDT by bluepistolero
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Of course, I meant imput. My English sometimes is not very good.


137 posted on 06/23/2005 1:26:01 AM PDT by bluepistolero
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To: P-Marlowe; Polycarp1; Buggman; xzins; blue-duncan; Corin Stormhands; Alamo-Girl
"We Christians would do a thousand times better to read and live the Gospels than engaging in end times speculations."

Perhaps Polycarp1 is correct.

138 posted on 06/23/2005 2:59:54 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: bluepistolero; P-Marlowe

"Literally" is not appropriate as you have used it regarding the body and the blood. "Literately" would be more in order because that is the meaning of a "literal" interpretation of scripture.

A literate, bible student would know that in the the "body/blood" passages, Jesus himself said "my words are spirit and they are life." Therefore, "literally" I do participate in the body and blood spiritually.

But, I detect from your writings that you have a "low" view of God. God is not capable of creating, nor is he capable knowing or directing the future.

My question would be, "Just what can this God you describe do? Don't you find yourself more often making up excuses for him than anything else?

And finally, what good is a God who is less than omnipotent and less than omniscient?


139 posted on 06/23/2005 4:28:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Buggman
What it means is that the chart is wrong about the location of the Lucan discourse relative to the Matthew discourse.

When it comes to differences in what appears to be the same event, I've always attempted explanation first from the "Various perspectives" viewpoint.

If I'm standing on the north corner and you are on the south corner, there is a car wreck, and we are asked to write an account of the wreck, then we are going to write about the same thing from our particular vantage points. Both can be entirely true AND have differences.

Luke says that in producing his gospel he meticulously gathered the accounts of those things that happened.

1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished R1 F1 among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from R2 the beginning were F2 eyewitnesses R3 and servants R4 F3 of the R5 word, F4 3 it seemed fitting for me as well, having R6 investigated F5 everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in R7 consecutive order, most R8 excellent Theophilus; R9 4 so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught. R10 F6

Both Matthew & Luke are faithfully reporting. IMO, It is better to see a single discourse, than to attempt to come up with 2 extremely similar episodes that are within hours of each other. I find that view to be overly frightened.

It is the UNTIDINESS of the gospels that verify the integrity of the reports.

140 posted on 06/23/2005 4:50:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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