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Pope Opposes Harry Potter Novels - Signed Letters from Cardinal Ratzinger Now Online
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | July 13, 2005 | LifeSiteNews.com

Posted on 07/13/2005 12:49:13 AM PDT by dsc

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To: GipperGal
Yes! I deny that the books are what you mean by "witchcraft" and "occult". Words have meaning, and if the meaning doesn't match what you're trying to describe, you can't use that word!

Now, I have to go to bed because I'm catching a plane first thing tomorrow so I can spend the weekend with my family and a friend of ours named Harry Potter. Sorry I won't have a chance to continue this debate.

801 posted on 07/14/2005 8:21:02 PM PDT by JenB (I solemnly swear I am up to no good.)
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To: JenB
I deny that the books are what you mean by "witchcraft" and "occult".

Okay. And I deny what you mean by "I have to go to bed"! You don't really have to go to bed. No one is forcing you to go to bed. You could technically stay up all night and argue with me. In fact, you can't even use the word sleep!

Get back here, Jen!

Have a safe trip. It's been fun sparring with you. I hope to engage you in conversation again sometime about our mutual love of the work of JRRT. Peace!

802 posted on 07/14/2005 8:26:40 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: GipperGal

Points 1 & 2 neutralize the value of point 3 (a, b & c)


803 posted on 07/14/2005 8:29:19 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: GipperGal

Thanks! I'm glad you showed a more civil tone in our debate than some of your... earlier posts; I have trouble respecting an intellectual opponent who resorts to such. Shall see you upon my return.

Ok, how about "If I am to be awake enough to drive to the airport at 5 am tomorrow, I had better get myself to bed now and hope I get some rest". No "have to", no "sleep".


804 posted on 07/14/2005 8:30:01 PM PDT by JenB (I solemnly swear I am up to no good.)
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To: JenB

***Now, I have to go to bed because I'm catching a plane first thing tomorrow ****


Words come to mind...

Heat,

Kitchen,

Leaving...



(have a good trip!)


805 posted on 07/14/2005 8:31:56 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Points 1 & 2 neutralize the value of point 3 (a, b & c)

In your eyes, yes. The rest of the parents here tend to think that it's harmless and/or that it reflects a benign form of witchcraft and that it borrows from only the innocuous aspects of the occult.

My point is that to deny the obvious (points 1 & 2) is just intellectually dishonest.

806 posted on 07/14/2005 8:34:54 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: GipperGal

*** In your eyes, yes.***

Them's the only eyes I got! :)



*** My point is that to deny the obvious (points 1 & 2) is just intellectually dishonest.****

I think, for some, to admit it is to loose the argument.


807 posted on 07/14/2005 8:38:13 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: GipperGal

Getting king of quiet around here.

Seems like everyone is Pottered-Out!


808 posted on 07/14/2005 8:39:23 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: JenB
Thanks! I'm glad you showed a more civil tone in our debate than some of your... earlier posts.

LOL! Hey, I told you I was "up to no good" on this thread.

I have trouble respecting an intellectual opponent who resorts to such.

Aw come on, nobody said it was Marquis of Queensbury Rules. How was I supposed to know.

Shall see you upon my return.

Good! I look forward to it! You're a most worthy opponent.

Ok, how about "If I am to be awake enough to drive to the airport at 5 am tomorrow, I had better get myself to bed now and hope I get some rest". No "have to", no "sleep".

Yes, yes. Run along then.

809 posted on 07/14/2005 8:42:29 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Getting king of quiet around here. Seems like everyone is Pottered-Out!

We've worn them out, Petro my friend.

Quick, say something outrageous. Maybe that'll get 'em back.

"Harry Potter is the Whore of Babylon!"

How's that for a start?

810 posted on 07/14/2005 8:44:59 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: PetroniusMaximus
*** My point is that to deny the obvious (points 1 & 2) is just intellectually dishonest.****

I think, for some, to admit it is to loose the argument.

You're probably right about that, but I'll be hanged if I'm going to be the one to say it.

I remember my Mom telling me to stay away from Ouija boards. She knew very well that kids played with them at slumber parties and that I could get away with it too. I don't think she thought I was in danger of becoming possessed or anything, but she just gave me some reasonable advice to steer clear of that stuff. I obeyed her. And I'm glad I did. That stuff creeps me out. Maybe the HP books are totally harmless. The other girls at the slumber parties who played with the Ouija boards turned out okay. But still, I'm glad I stayed away from the stuff.

811 posted on 07/14/2005 8:50:32 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: GipperGal
*** Quick, say something outrageous. Maybe that'll get 'em back.****

I'm just very surprised no one though to accuse us of wanting to BURN witches!

But I wouldn't want to give them any ideas...
812 posted on 07/14/2005 8:50:38 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I'm just very surprised no one though to accuse us of wanting to BURN witches!

What did you say?!


813 posted on 07/14/2005 8:54:30 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: dsc

I am more concerned about what the pope thinks about preists molesting boys.
Harry potter is good fun and to think otherwise is sheer madness.
Get a god damn grip.

I give up.


814 posted on 07/14/2005 8:58:04 PM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: NormB
I give up.

Don't jump. Lives worth living.

815 posted on 07/14/2005 8:58:53 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: PetroniusMaximus; discostu; GipperGal; DameAutour; JenB
Ah goot old gullible Kurt Koch, I has almost forgotten him and his obsessions

Dr Kurt E. Koch an expert on the Occult writes: Conan Doyle also possessed photography negatives of nature spirits (Occult ABC p. 84)
No he posessed photography negatives of illustrations a couple of young girls traced from Princess Mary's Gift Book

And people here are claiming it's children who can't tell fantasy from reality

The case of the Cottingley fairies

816 posted on 07/14/2005 9:03:27 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. . - Voltaire)
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To: GipperGal
It borrows heavily from mythology and fairy tales, just like most fantasy does. Yes, I am writing my own "evil" fantasy book. It has magic, a dragon, vampir, etc. I researched a bit on mythology. In my case it's based on another world. Actually, these threads motivate me to write more, in hopes that maybe I will someday see a similar thread about one of my stories. Especially, since, my story does have a Christian undertones.
People say Tolkein was different, but there is no deity mentioned in The Lord of the Rings. Sometimes a story really is a story. But, we will agree to disagree. Neither one of is is about to change their point of view.
817 posted on 07/14/2005 9:04:21 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: HungarianGypsy
People say Tolkein was different, but there is no deity mentioned in The Lord of the Rings.

Umm. Yes, there was. His name is Eru, "The One".

True, there is no organized religion in Tolkien's world. However, Tolkien himself wrote that his work was "fundamentally religious and Catholic..." in nature, in which, "...the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism." --see "The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien," the letter dated 12/2/53 to Robert Murray, S.J.

Good luck to you on your book. I hope it's a good one. I find most Fantasy fiction too silly to take seriously. My love of that genre pretty much begins and ends with Tolkien. May you prove me wrong!

818 posted on 07/14/2005 9:12:14 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: Oztrich Boy
Cute picture. Are you the one on the right or the left? Or are you the one playing the flute?


819 posted on 07/14/2005 9:22:10 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: JenB

"I object to people using prayers to insult other people. "Oh Lord, I thank you that I am not like this tax collector!"

What a filthy thing to think.


820 posted on 07/14/2005 9:23:10 PM PDT by dsc
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