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Muslim group transforms chapel in Brussels
Catholic Church Conservation ^ | 04-13-05 | unknown

Posted on 07/16/2005 10:27:09 PM PDT by jec1ny

Muslim group transforms chapel in Brussels as Cardinal Danneels departs for Rome

In the centre of Brussels, there is the beautiful Church of the Minimes . It contains a Chapel in the form of the Holy House of Loretto which was built at the same time as the Church. A house of low repute was demolished to make way for the Church and there used to be an inscription in the Church, "Where once stood a temple of Venus, now stands a shrine to Our Blessed Lady." But now can it be said? "Where once stood a shrine to Our Blessed Lady, now stands a mosque". The Chapel is now being desecrated by an occupation by a group of Kurds. They claim to be on hunger strike. Why choose a Catholic Church when there are so many other places in Belgium to protest? But is the Chapel now being used as a mosque?; the Vicariat of Brussels have neither confirmed nor denied this, despite several e-mails. The altar has been moved. The statue of Our Lady has been covered by a cloth in such a way that she is mostly hidden from the eyes of the occupants.

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TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Ecumenism; Islam; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: belgium; eurabia; europeanmuslims
Does anyone have any information on this? The article is long on shouts of sacrelige etc... but short on background information. I don't want to leap without having a clear idea of whats going on. But I also have a very hard time accepting any kind of occupation of a Catholic Church by non-Catholics and its forcible conversion to non-Catholic religious worship.
1 posted on 07/16/2005 10:27:09 PM PDT by jec1ny
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To: jec1ny

and the third-worldization of liberal Europe continues unabated....


2 posted on 07/16/2005 10:30:37 PM PDT by Now_is_The_Time
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To: jec1ny
"If" this is true it is either the beginning of the end for the "Religion of Peace" or for us.

All depends on the reaction.  If it goes on without a fight ... checkmate, it's over, folks.

They are, (again, if this is true) becoming more brazen and outspoken about their goals and seem to feel confident that they are in a position to take whatever they want.

3 posted on 07/16/2005 10:33:35 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: jec1ny
MEIN KAMPF = MEIN KORAN

ALLAHU AKBAR! = HEIL HITLER!

4 posted on 07/16/2005 10:52:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

I STRONGLY REPUDIATE YOUR COMPARRISON OF ISLAM TO NAZISM. IT IS DEEPLY OFFENSIVE AND UN-CHRISTIAN. In posting this article I am not seeking comments from wing nuts and hate mongers. I am seeking a more detailed explanation of the events recounted in the article which is lacking in any kind of background information. Only after we have a reasonable explanation of events should any judgments be formed. Sadly I doubt there are any Muslims on this forum. The only articles posted in the Islam topic area are those being posted by various Christians. I also have questions about the propriety of some of that as well but thats a different topic.


5 posted on 07/16/2005 11:32:40 PM PDT by jec1ny (Adjutorium nostrum in nomine Domine Qui fecit caelum et terram.)
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To: Travis McGee

Islam is worse than Naziism. Naziism was brought down by force of arms. The war against Islam is ultimately spiritual. We know in the end that the Immaculate Heart will triumph!


6 posted on 07/17/2005 12:08:39 AM PDT by Macoraba
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To: jec1ny; Gillibrand
Does anyone have any information on this?

The blogger is a freeper as well.
7 posted on 07/17/2005 3:52:16 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: jec1ny
It should be no surprise to anyone here. The previous occupant of the See of Peter accurately documented the circumstances surrounding this when he said in his Exhortation, Ecclesia in Europa,

Among the aspects of this situation, so many of which were frequently mentioned during the Synod,(15) I would like to mention in a particular way the loss of Europe's Christian memory and heritage, accompanied by a kind of practical agnosticism and religious indifference whereby many Europeans give the impression of living without spiritual roots and somewhat like heirs who have squandered a patrimony entrusted to them by history. It is no real surprise, then, that there are efforts to create a vision of Europe which ignore its religious heritage, and in particular, its profound Christian soul, asserting the rights of the peoples who make up Europe without grafting those rights on to the trunk which is enlivened by the sap of Christianity.

Certainly Europe is not lacking in prestigious symbols of the Christian presence, yet with the slow and steady advance of secularism, these symbols risk becoming a mere vestige of the past. Many people are no longer able to integrate the Gospel message into their daily experience; living one's faith in Jesus becomes increasingly difficult in a social and cultural setting in which that faith is constantly challenged and threatened. In many social settings it is easier to be identified as an agnostic than a believer. The impression is given that unbelief is self-explanatory, whereas belief needs a sort of social legitimization which is neither obvious nor taken for granted.

The EU declined to acknowledge Europe's Christian roots in the (hopefully aborted) European Constitution. Church attendence throughout Europe, low for decades, is almost nonexistant. They have aborted and birth controlled their population into an almost minority status...and as a result, they need to import workers to maintain their industry and infrastructure. The closest source of ready labor comes from nearby Muslim countries.

Are those Muslims supposed to adopt the official religion of Europe as their own faith? (For those who are naive, let me spell it out: the state religion of the EU is socialist humanism. Christianity, what remains of it, is not even a vague consideration in most places throughout northern and central Europe) Muslims need to have a place to worship as well. Why not a place that is totally unutilized, like a church?

8 posted on 07/17/2005 4:42:57 AM PDT by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: jec1ny

It probably is true. The same thing happened in Spain, where a church was taken over by Muslims who had been invited to hold a sit-in there by leftist clergy petitioning speedy processing of immigration applications. Danneels is very left-wing, and I'm sure he or his clergy invited them in for political reasons, and now of course the Muslims are simply making themselves at home there.

They were finally evicted from the church in Spain where they had holed up after the local Catholics complained bitterly (probably to Rome). And the retirement of the area's Cardinal Archibishop was accepted very promptly by Rome. One can only hope that this will be the case with Danneels, too.


9 posted on 07/17/2005 5:01:49 AM PDT by livius
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To: jec1ny

"I STRONGLY REPUDIATE YOUR COMPARRISON OF ISLAM TO NAZISM."

Why did you post this if your skin is so thin? If you are so scholarly as to want to reasearch this incident you describe in your post, you should be so scholarly as to reseach islam and come to the conclusion that islam is worse than nazism. If you look closely at the movements and actions of muslims around the world you will see that once they have entered a previously nonmuslim area they begin demanding rights and protections that are not given to other non-muslim citizens.

As an example: Demanding public schools provide muslim prayer rooms and allowances for muslim students to have time out to pray at the required times as well as allowances for muslim students to wear their archaic costumes. Yet in those same schools, no signs of Christianity are allowed in the school, students and teachers are not allowed to wear any jewelry or clothing with Christian symbols, Christians are not allowed to pray in school and students are not allowed to have any bible study activities.

As another example: Muslims are demanding that they be allowed to wear complete head coverings in public places when no one else is allowed this right. Also, muslims are demanding that they be allowed to substitute sharia law for the laws in place in the area where they are located.

Then look at some other actions of muslims. The extreme majority of terrorist activity is islamic. You always hear muslims mentioning acts of terror by other religions or organizations as being as widesopread and as common as terror committed by muslims. Some of these acts aren't terrorism and the remaining are so few as to be statistically insignificant. Whenever there is an act of terror by a muslim, inevitably, muslims first deny that it was committed by a muslim and state that it was committed by Israelis or Americans to make muslims look bad. Then when it appears that the act was irrefutably done by a muslim, they blame some non-muslim entity for having incited the incident. The friends, relatives and imams of the person committing the terror act always rally around the terrorist, stating that it was impossible that the person committed terror. Yet, frequently, it is found that these same friends and relatives were involved,the imam was preaching terror and the mosque was being used as a rallying point for planning and that funds donated to the mosque were used to commit the acts of terror. At some point islamic organizations will issue some sort of statement that is supposed to be an apology. But when you read the statement it nearly always has a veiled reference to insinuate that other religions commit similar acts, like: "we condemn acts of terror committed by all religions". Very rarely does the statement say anything like: "we condemn MUSLIMS who commit these acts". They carefully parse their words to make the statement acceptable to the press. They frequently make statements such as: "We condemn anyone who hijacks islam". They never say: "We condemn these muslims who have hijacked islam by makeing these attacks". Do they make these statements in such a way because committing these acts are not hijacking islam and because this is one of the steps towards the goals of islam?

Imams are using INS rules that allow easy entry to the US for clerics, whereupon, they begin spewing their vitriolic instructions in the mosques. They hide behind the religious protections afforded in this country to incite terror...........

And this is just the tip of the iceberg of islam. So comparing islam to Nazism was not totally wrong. Nazism was more like an influenza infection and islam is more like a cancer. But they are both a deadly illness.

Open your eyes before you succumb to islam.


10 posted on 07/17/2005 5:49:57 AM PDT by ArmedNReady (Demand That Your Congressmen Declare Islam a Terrorist Organization)
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To: ArmedNReady

"you should be so scholarly as to reseach islam and come to the conclusion that islam is worse than nazism."

Its certainly more insidious. They inveigle themselves in under the respectable veneer of religion, but in fact islam is just another totalitarian ideology which denies all rights to non-adherents. Its more dangerous than nazism because the majority could clearly see the lethal danger of nazism, but the majority have been fooled into thinking that mainstream islam is the "Religion of Peace."

It never was about peace - Mohammed was a merciless murderer and slaughterer from the beginning and his followers have never been any different once they've had the power and numbers to enforce their demonic will.


11 posted on 07/17/2005 1:56:53 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: jec1ny

That's a jibe. Right?


12 posted on 07/17/2005 4:13:16 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: jec1ny
I STRONGLY REPUDIATE YOUR COMPARRISON OF ISLAM TO NAZISM. IT IS DEEPLY OFFENSIVE AND UN-CHRISTIAN.

It is also, unfortunately to Islam, historically supportable. The motto of the modern pan-arab Islamic movement (specifically the "Baathism" of Syria and Iraq) was "In Heaven Allah; on Earth Hitler". They even had a "pet name" for Hitler (Abu Ali). That they embraced his philosophy is historically irrefutable.

Similarly, the Nazis were sympathetic to Islam, with SS chief Heinrich Himmler once saying that he regretted Germany's adoption of Christianity, rather than "warlike" Islam.

Try reading the memoirs of Haj Amin al-Husseini (Mufti of Jerusalem during WWII), where his collaboration with Hitler is unquestionably documented.

13 posted on 07/18/2005 2:24:59 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Macoraba

I can not think of anything worse than Islam. Maybe there is something worse, but I just can not think of it right now.


14 posted on 07/19/2005 1:21:54 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: tessalu
Maybe there is something worse, but I just can not think of it right now.

LOL! I can't, either. I don't know if you're male or female, but I'm one of the latter, and believe me - I can't think of anything worse. Who wants to spend their lives wearing a bag of laundry on their heads while their husbands breed with them - or other wives - once in a while and then pursue the gardener or the houseboy?

15 posted on 07/19/2005 1:46:44 PM PDT by livius
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