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To: Fast Ed97

Missing something? You grew up in the Novus Ordo age, you were brought up in the age of ecumenism and anti Latin Mass and catholic tradition, nuns in pants and long hair, priests shooting baskets instead of doing sick calls, Father Jim instead of Father Smith, no more kneelers, no more receiving our Lord kneeling instead standing and in the hand from some old lady who thinks she is gaining grace by being a EHMC, preaching of Love and no-one goes to hell-even those who reject our Lord, Pope after Pope since Vatican II who have watched as the seminaries closed, covered for pedophile priests and Bishops, squandered away money, spent our money on their gay lifestyle, mass attendance down to 15% with church after church closing and being sold to pay for abuse victims....You dont feel like your missing anything?

It has to do with the Mass, that is a large part of it, but the church as compromised her beliefs, her doctrines and her teachings to try and be Politically correct to the disdain of 11 of the 12 apostles and countless others who died martyrs deaths for the protection of the faith and her teachings without compromise.

No-it is the post vatican II church that has "left the church" and it is those who still adhere to the teachings of Popes such as Pius V, IX, and X that are the real "Catholics". Like someone said before-either you are with the church are you are against it. No council is supposed to reteach previously taught and explained doctrine, Vatican II just disregarded everything every past council and Pope taught, and that makes it pastoral and not binding

God bless


5 posted on 07/24/2005 9:37:58 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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To: BulldogCatholic
Vatican II just disregarded everything every past council and Pope taught, and that makes it pastoral and not binding

Please cite where any teaching of the Vatican II Council contradicts any teaching of the ordinary and universal magisterium of the Church.

7 posted on 07/24/2005 1:33:29 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: BulldogCatholic; All
Missing something? You grew up in the Novus Ordo age, you were brought up in the age of ecumenism and anti Latin Mass and catholic tradition, nuns in pants and long hair, priests shooting baskets instead of doing sick calls, Father Jim instead of Father Smith, no more kneelers, no more receiving our Lord kneeling instead standing and in the hand from some old lady who thinks she is gaining grace by being a EHMC, preaching of Love and no-one goes to hell-even those who reject our Lord, Pope after Pope since Vatican II who have watched as the seminaries closed, covered for pedophile priests and Bishops, squandered away money, spent our money on their gay lifestyle, mass attendance down to 15% with church after church closing and being sold to pay for abuse victims....You dont feel like your missing anything?

Oh, brother. First, I didn't find out what the gringo priests were doing until I moved into the Mainland. Even the gringo priests in Puerto Rico apparently behaved better than here, ok? Has it occurred to you that this malaise is something very restricted to English or French-speaking First World countries?

As for the rest, what are you doing to fix it? What are you doing to fix yourself? Persisting in throwing mud to the Church ain't gonna help any...

Expand your mind a bit, please. If you call your self "Catholic," be "catholic," ok?

-Theo

8 posted on 07/24/2005 1:37:10 PM PDT by TeĆ³filo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org)
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To: BulldogCatholic

No-it is the post vatican II church that has "left the church" and it is those who still adhere to the teachings of Popes such as Pius V, IX, and X that are the real "Catholics". Like someone said before-either you are with the church are you are against it. No council is supposed to reteach previously taught and explained doctrine, Vatican II just disregarded everything every past council and Pope taught, and that makes it pastoral and not binding


Not being a Catholic, I am having an extremely difficult understading that statement...On this website I have been told time and time again that the Councils are infallible...Vatican II was a council...something's not right here...please explain how it can even be mentioned that Vac 2 is only pastoral when the reality of it is that it was a council just like Trent...I'm quite certain you'll find a way to say it's not contradictory, but I respectfully would like to try to understand your point of view here...thanks...


12 posted on 07/25/2005 1:22:32 AM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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