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Decision Time for Mainline Lutherans
The Christian Century ^ | August 09, 2005 | John Dart

Posted on 08/02/2005 10:54:57 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

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To: wallcrawlr

What about it was incorrect?


141 posted on 08/03/2005 6:40:08 PM PDT by Roos_Girl (Help! Help! I'm being repressed!)
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To: wallcrawlr
Yeah she's one of those wise ones who is offended by Christians who actually read the bible and who homeschool and who think Christmas is a sham and who would rather discuss doctrine than college basketball. She's in a bible study and I asked her what she is learning and she proceeded to tell me about all the gossip about the other girls that she has learned. It didn't even occur to her I might be asking about bible learning. Pretty typical ELCA Lutheran I'd say.
142 posted on 08/04/2005 4:45:28 AM PDT by biblewonk (I won't argue the merits of your SUV, I'll argue in favor of a gas tax hike.)
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To: Roos_Girl
I'm curious as to why someone would acknowledge that God tells them differently via The Bible, but knowingly disobeys? Why bother to try and have a relationship at all with Jesus? The whole point of having a relationship with the Lord is to please Him and gain eternal life. And yet, this statement totally goes against that. Is the concept that one part of the Bible is more important than others? Curiouser and curiouser.

Have you ever mentioned a doctrine or even a lifestyle rule to a person and had them reply with "Don't put God in a box?". I hate it when people do that. What they are doing is inventing their own Gods when they disregard what the bible says and make God be what they want Him to be.

143 posted on 08/04/2005 5:25:05 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: biblewonk
The typical reply I get around here (work) when I talk about lifestyle rules or doctrine, is that there is no right and wrong. Right and wrong are based on what the society finds acceptable. I've stopped having those conversations; I'm not real fond of beating my head against a wall. I know that there is a right and wrong, because God told me there's a right and wrong, and he never changes. People who don't believe in God cannot be convinced there are absolutes.

I'm not even sure I know what it means to not "put God in a box".

144 posted on 08/04/2005 9:19:57 AM PDT by Roos_Girl (Help! Help! I'm being repressed!)
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To: Roos_Girl
I'm not even sure I know what it means to not "put God in a box".

It's mostly just a manipulative buzz phrase implying that your God is lesser than the person saying it.

145 posted on 08/04/2005 9:25:52 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: Roos_Girl; biblewonk
I'm not even sure I know what it means to not "put God in a box".

It’s something you should ask your Pastor.

We limit the working of God in our lives by what we think He won't do, or by trying too hard to figure out what He will do.
We limit how God can use us in the lives of others.
In our pride, we presume that we can know what God will and will not do.
In our pride, we presume to know exactly what God has in mind.

How you dare to judge the work of the woman preacher that I know is beyond me.

Discrediting Gods work is the height of arrogance and pride.
Thinking that your knowledge of Gods will is greater than what Gods will is doing is legalism beyond comparison. It’s a demonstration by you of your ignorance for the Grace of God.

I suggest humbling yourself before God before that box closes.

I cant believe this thread. Its still my contention that we probably agree on 98% of stuff. The attitude here is disgusting towards fellow Christians, obviously me in particular. And if you are a member of the LCMS Roos...well I'll leave my comments offline on that one.

I'm looking fwd to see what you pick and choose to reply on from my post. It says alot about you. Look at yourselves, you come back to this thread just to build yourself up and chastise other believers. Again, its disgusting.

146 posted on 08/04/2005 10:33:39 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: wallcrawlr
How you dare to judge the work of the woman preacher that I know is beyond me.

The same way I'd dare to judge Sauls offering to God. Do you even know the reference?

147 posted on 08/04/2005 10:39:27 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: wallcrawlr; biblewonk
I never presume to know what God will want of me. And again, I don't know how you could put God in a box; seems like an impossibility to me. Perhaps we put ourselves in boxes, but this could be a matter of symantics made impossible to solve because of the medium.

I've never said anything good or bad about the work your pastor is doing. I never said anything good or bad about your church having a female pastor. I don't know if she's doing God's work, I've never MET her. I've never discredited you or her. I simply asked a question regarding a quote you made, and I have yet to get an answer to the question. While you're making accusations, why don't you tell me exactly what I posted that did any of the things you accuse me of?

You can make any comment you like about LCMS, yes I am a member, I find them to have a Biblically based doctrine, and quite frankly, I don't care if you do or don't agree with them, it won't change my membership status. I would however, welcome an honest discussion of doctrine you believe isn't Biblically based and your reasons for believing so.

Other than that, if you don't know the answer to my inquiry regarding your quote, simply say you don't know. If it's just a "feeling" you have, then say so. You don't have to try and lash back at someone because, so far, you're unable to explain. Did I miss something? Did you tell us why you feel comfortable disregarding what the Bible says on the subject?

I'm not really sure how I've managed to build myself up or chastise you in my previous posts. It really was a simple request to explain yourself and why you thought your beliefs were okay.

Hopefully I've sufficiently replied to all your comments so you won't have to make judgements about my character!

148 posted on 08/04/2005 12:06:05 PM PDT by Roos_Girl (Help! Help! I'm being repressed!)
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To: wallcrawlr; Roos_Girl
Direct me to the woman in church thread and I'll give it my all.

When can we hope to see your contribution?

149 posted on 08/04/2005 2:16:05 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Because we do not condemn all the world thru the Papal decree that anyone who is not subject to the Roman Pontiff. That kinda brings with it a bit of contempt for the arrogance of a man to claim you must be subject to him to receive the gift of salvation Christ freely gives to those who are brought to believe by the Holy Spirit, no?


150 posted on 08/04/2005 5:34:39 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: wallcrawlr; newgeezer; polymuser; All

Check out a Wisconsin Synod church. I think you would be glad you did.


151 posted on 08/04/2005 5:43:52 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: wallcrawlr; newgeezer; polymuser; All

Check out a Wisconsin Synod church. I think you would be glad you did.


152 posted on 08/04/2005 5:46:17 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: lightman

Amen to that beautiful prayer.


153 posted on 08/04/2005 5:52:04 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: Palladin

Thank my good colleague Pr. Sara Gausman and pray for her as she (and other faithful ones) stand in the eye of the hurricane beginning Sunday.


154 posted on 08/04/2005 6:19:22 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: TonyRo76

When does the famous vote come down?


155 posted on 08/05/2005 6:20:43 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: wallcrawlr; Roos_Girl
>>Direct me to the woman in church thread and I'll give it my all.

>When can we hope to see your contribution?

[silence]

It's a lively and intriguing thread over there.

Were you still intending to give it your all at some point? Or, should we be satisfied that, in this case at least, all equals nothing?

156 posted on 08/05/2005 11:03:55 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Roos_Girl

Very true!

As one example, I think Christians who believe women shouldn't vote are very nutty! :-)


157 posted on 08/05/2005 11:08:20 AM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: TonyRo76

Please add me to the Lutheran Ping List. Thanks!!!


158 posted on 08/05/2005 11:14:50 AM PDT by TopDog2
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To: k2blader
I think Christians who believe women shouldn't vote are very nutty! :-)

I know quite a few Christians -- men and women -- who believe women shouldn't have the vote. Even the women will tell you they believe a good many of the problems we have in our culture can and should be blamed on the 19th Amendment, and that cowardly, self-serving men are ultimately to blame for its passage.

But, since women have the vote, my wife is always eager to vote exactly as I do.

160 posted on 08/05/2005 12:19:44 PM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible. Words mean things!)
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