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To: Cecily
Gary ignores quite a lot that is written in the OT and the NT about Israel.

This was not a treatise on Israel. His main point -- that the land promise to Israel was fulfilled -- is well taken by those who see modern events in the middle east as a theological diversion from the truth of Christ's gospel.

Jesus Christ is the true Israel. All those who have a part in His resurrection are the children of Abraham and spiritual Israel regardless of their ethnic background.

6 posted on 08/23/2005 12:27:35 PM PDT by topcat54
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8 posted on 08/23/2005 12:39:42 PM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: topcat54
that the land promise to Israel was fulfilled

The prophecies in Zacharia 12 haven't been fulfilled yet, and will be. The author too conveniently picked his passages.

10 posted on 08/23/2005 12:48:34 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: topcat54
is well taken by those who see modern events in the middle east as a theological diversion from the truth of Christ's gospel.

Some even go so far as to make it another "gospel", with another means of salvation other than faith in Christ, namely, that of being born a natural Jew.

In their "rebuilt temple" theory, they go so far as to teach that temple sacrifices will be efficacious for washing away of sin and ceremonial uncleaness, which is counter to the Gospel and the Sacrifice of Christ made once and for all for Atonement of the sins of Israel(OT and NT saints). That borders on blasphemy.

29 posted on 08/24/2005 9:47:06 AM PDT by Mister_Diddy_Wa_Diddy
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To: topcat54; Mister_Diddy_Wa_Diddy; HarleyD; bluepistolero
Jesus Christ is the true Israel. All those who have a part in His resurrection are the children of Abraham and spiritual Israel regardless of their ethnic background.

Amen.

The more I read about the peculiar assertions of dispensationalism, the more these beliefs look to be political, rather than spiritual. I'm amazed people don't see through these temporal connections in light of the past 100 years of political turmoil in the restructuring of the Middle East.

"Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?    

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.    

Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?    

But he spake of the temple of his body.    

When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said." -- John 1:18-22

Jesus Christ is the third temple; the only door by which we find salvation. The old covenant of the law finds its fulfillment in the new covenant of grace.

"Previously saying, Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them (which are offered according to the law),

then He said, 'Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.' He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." -- Hebrews 10:8-10

To miss this point seems like missing the entire reason for Christ's existence.

"Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" -- 1 Corinthians 3:16

34 posted on 08/24/2005 10:53:26 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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