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To: Conservative til I die

Stipulating that Christ is referring to Peter, is He referring to Peter as the founder of the Church, or is He referring to Peter's confession, or is He referring to Peter as the prototype believer? We believe the latter two, and our position sophistry in the light of other Scripture. Jesus is the Founder of the church. His words that if men did not praise him, the rocks and stones would cry out show that His purposes would be achieved without the cooperation of men, though it was His pleasure it did.

Protestantism did not alter the Church; Protestantism restored the Church to positions closer to the Church Fathers, by relying solely on Scripture, solely on the grace of God, solely on faith as the instrument of grace, and solely on salvation being God's work alone. You may disagree with this. It's pretty clear that salvation is of the Lord alone; and He has allowed formulaic disunity of churches to provide a place for all His Body.


346 posted on 09/30/2005 3:35:35 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (Proudly confusing editors and readers since 1981!)
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To: GAB-1955
Stipulating that Christ is referring to Peter, is He referring to Peter as the founder of the Church, or is He referring to Peter's confession, or is He referring to Peter as the prototype believer? We believe the latter two, and our position sophistry in the light of other Scripture. Jesus is the Founder of the church. His words that if men did not praise him, the rocks and stones would cry out show that His purposes would be achieved without the cooperation of men, though it was His pleasure it did.

Yes, of course Jesus is the founder of the Church. And Peter was the foundation rock upon which Christ promised to build His Church. I mean it's clear as day in the Scripture. For you to say it was His faith or His profession of faith that is the foundation requires a lot of reading into.
351 posted on 09/30/2005 5:26:28 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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