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For example, St. John Chrysostom (c. 400 AD) quotes some 90 times the primacy, no, WORLDLY rulership over the Church.

And ... Jesus said that such wasn't to be in His church ...
Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.

43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:

44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.

45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

356 posted on 09/30/2005 6:20:24 AM PDT by Quester (If you can't trust Jesus, ... who can you trust ?)
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To: Quester
For example, St. John Chrysostom (c. 400 AD) quotes some 90 times the primacy, no, WORLDLY rulership over the Church.

And ... Jesus said that such wasn't to be in His church ...

In your verses from Mark, Jesus is not telling the Apostles that they would not rule, but they would not rule LIKE THE GENTILES. In other words, the leader would serve, just as Jesus washed the feet of His disciples. Leadership with humility does not do away with authoritative leadership.

So that you may see the context, here are SOME quotes from St. Chrysostom...

"And if anyone would say 'How did James receive the chair of Jerusalem?", I would reply that he appointed Peter a teacher not of the chair, but of the world..." (Chrysostom, on John, Homily 88, Migne PG 59:478, Giles page 164)

"...The merciful God is wont to give this honor to his servants, that by their grace others may acquire salvation; as was agreed by the blessed Paul, that teacher of the world who emitted the rays of his teaching everywhere." (Chrysostom, on Genesis, Homily 24, Migne PG 53:211, Giles page 165)

"Peter, therefore, turning seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved, who also reclined on His breast at supper, following, and saith: 'Lord, what shall this man do?' Why did he mention the reclining? Not without reason or by chance, but to show what confidence Peter had after his fall. For he who then had not dared to ask a question, but committed it to another, was given the presidency over the brethren. And he not only commits his own case to another, but even himself puts a question to the Master about another, and John this time is silent, while it is Peter who speaks....Peter loved John greatly...Since then He foretold great things for Peter, and entrusted him with the world, and predicted his martyrdom and testified that his love was greater than that of the others, Peter wishing to receive John as his fellow, saith: And what of this man? Shall he not go the same way?"

Note, this is from an Eastern Archbishop of Constantinople from c. 400AD

Brother in Christ

361 posted on 09/30/2005 9:42:59 AM PDT by jo kus
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