[Frumanchu]

If God has not preserved national Israel, the natural branches, then there is no such thing as "Preservation of the Saints." You can't have it both ways.

So....God stopped preserving His saints for almost 1900 years??

Both are God's people--national Israel is the root and the natural branches, and we Gentiles are grafted into that root by God's grace. Your theology is equivalent to saying that because I have an adopted brother, I am no longer my parents' firstborn.

No, it's simply recognizing that God wasn't lying when he said "They are not all Israel who are called Israel." Your theology is ignoring the fact that we Christians are the spiritual seed of Abraham who will receive the covenant promises. The inferior covenant has given way to the superior one.

[Buggman]

So....God stopped preserving His saints for almost 1900 years??

He never stopped preserving Israel; in case you hadn't noticed, the Jews have successfully resisted assimilation for that whole period.

But if He had, what in the world makes you think that He would bother preserving you? That's the true meaning of Romans 11--and it's one you have no answer to.

No, it's simply recognizing that God wasn't lying when he said "They are not all Israel who are called Israel."

Clearly, you are a master at reading half an argument (Sha'ul's, not mine) and ignoring the rest in order to preserve your theology.