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To: HarleyD; Buggman; xzins; Corin Stormhands; blue-duncan; Frumanchu; topcat54
1) the Church is one in the Old Testament and New,

Well, that's wrong because Jesus said "Upon this Rock I will (future perfect tense) build my Church."

IOW, prior to that time Christ had not YET built his church, so what occurred prior to that time was NOT THE CHURCH!

Christ came to establish and build his church. It was not here when he came. The Church did not exist in the Old Testament, so the "Church" cannot be "one in the Old Testament and New". Jesus did not build something that was already here.

50 posted on 09/30/2005 12:52:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; HarleyD; Buggman; xzins; Corin Stormhands; blue-duncan; Frumanchu
Well, that's wrong because Jesus said "Upon this Rock I will (future perfect tense) build my Church."

What is "the Rock" that Jesus was speaking of? Be careful cuz there's gonna be a follow up question.

53 posted on 09/30/2005 12:59:23 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: P-Marlowe; Buggman; xzins; Corin Stormhands; blue-duncan; Frumanchu; topcat54
"Well, that's wrong because Jesus said "Upon this Rock I will (future perfect tense) build my Church." IOW, prior to that time Christ had not YET built his church, so what occurred prior to that time was NOT THE CHURCH!

Oh pleazzzeee!! You want to call every Catholic over here?

Buggman and you would like to assert the church and Israel are different. Buggman asked in post #39:

Yet the prophecy of Christ coming was to shepherd His people:

We know that the nation Israel was not our Lord Jesus' sheep but believers. Compare:

Simple deduction. If you still doubt then consider Paul's comments:

I'd certainly like an interpretation. God obviously didn't feel that if you were born of Israel that automatically made you an Israelite, "heir to the promise". Or here's a good Calvinist verse:

But I'll end my scripture quest with this little bit from the book of Galatians:

Paul calls the believers, those who are new creatures, the Israel of God. And he isn't refering to the nation of Israel.

77 posted on 09/30/2005 4:12:54 PM PDT by HarleyD ("...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48)
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