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To: Buggman; JohnnyM; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Diego1618
"The problem before us does not fall into these categories in my mind. Here we have the matter of Jews and gentiles who seek to keep the traditions of the rabbis out of religious scruples."

You know, this is really getting repetitive. I’ve explained this as many ways as I can think to, and yet you still persist in trying to judge my heart in an false manner.

I don't judge your heart, I judge your actions.

You keep passover, no? Do you follow a "passover seder"? Where did it come from?

"All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it." (Exodus 12:47,48)

The law says that as a gentile you are not permitted to participate in the passover. Either the law has changed according to the word of God, or your participation in your erstaz passover is according to a human tradition. Where did the tradition come from?

The same is true for the other ersatz holy days you celebrate. You keep rosh hashanah, yom kippur, etc, no?

"And he shall take from the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats as a sin offering, and one ram as a burnt offering. 'Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering, which is for himself, and make atonement for himself and for his house.' ... 'This shall be a statute forever for you: In the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether a native of your own country or a stranger who dwells among you. For on that day the priest shall make atonement for you, to cleanse you, that you may be clean from all your sins before the Lord. It is a sabbath of solemn rest for you, and you shall afflict your souls. It is a statute forever. And the priest, who is anointed and consecrated to minister as priest in his father's place, shall make atonement, and put on the linen clothes, the holy garments; then he shall make atonement for the Holy Sanctuary, and he shall make atonement for the tabernacle of meeting and for the altar, and he shall make atonement for the priests and for all the people of the assembly. This shall be an everlasting statute for you, to make atonement for the children of Israel, for all their sins, once a year.' And he did as the Lord commanded Moses." (Lev. 16:5,6,29-34)

"Then you shall sacrifice one kid of the goats as a sin offering, and two male lambs of the first year as a sacrifice of a peace offering. The priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the Lord, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the Lord for the priest. And you shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you. You shall do no customary work on it. It shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations." (Lev. 23:19-21)

Where specifically did God authorize the modified observance of these holy days according to the tradition which you now follow? If you can demonstrate how any of my statements or conclusions are wrong, then I will certainly own up to the correction and say no more about it.

Either you and your fellow messianics have specific authorization from the word of God, or you do not. The fact remains that these cultic laws were not modified by the coming of the new covenant, they have "decayed" and "faded away" (Heb. 8:13).

Notice, I said nothing about your heart. Na dI have never said anythign about your heart condition. It's your activities that are in question here. We judge what we see according to the word of God.

526 posted on 10/14/2005 8:31:54 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; JohnnyM; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Diego1618
*sigh* Not a single issue that hasn't already been addressed ad nauseum. I'm done with this conversation; anyone who wants to see what I would have written in response to you can just go back and see the previous half-dozen renditions.

Shalom.

527 posted on 10/14/2005 9:42:21 AM PDT by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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