[son of caesar]

actually this is really really really simple, you either believe in god or you believe in the goodness of man. only one of those things can set equalibrium is this world. you cannot have both. chose

[RobbyS]

I am not sure that the Utopians DO believe in the goodness of man. We see how Robespierre and his party slaughtered their enemies, not in the heat of the moment but as a matter of policy. And Lenin, it is said, once commented that he would love to comfort and stroke men, "But they bite." So he slaughtered two thousand priests. Those who do not see in other men the image of a suffering and resurrected God can love them.