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The Pope (JPII) was Jewish says historian
Metro News ^ | April 14, 2005 | Riazat Butt

Posted on 11/08/2005 5:40:59 AM PST by NYer

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To: GAB-1955
Under the German occupation, the "intelligentsia" of Poland, including priests, were scheduled for murder. Father Kolbe was one of the martyrs of Polish Catholicism under similar circumstances.

I was going to write the same thing.

21 posted on 11/08/2005 9:08:58 AM PST by It's me
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To: NYer

That's right, only Jews were killed in concentration camps in WWII.

/sarcasm


22 posted on 11/08/2005 9:27:58 AM PST by Aggie Mama
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To: NYer
In the movie/documentary "Witness to Hope", there was one section that alluded to his having a crush on a Jewish girl. Her family had to leave before the Nazis invaded.

I wonder if he was ever dedicate at Temple or circumcised. Maybe he's "kosher" in a spiritual sense ;-) .

I'm sure there are speculating historians other giants in history who might have been Jewish in either birth or nature. I think there's a movie starring John Turturro where his character tries to prove that Shakespeare was Jewish. Maybe Nostradamus was another.
23 posted on 11/08/2005 9:50:15 AM PST by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: NYer

24 posted on 11/08/2005 9:51:29 AM PST by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

My family has a Jewish sounding name but we are Catholics. Have a friend who is Jewish but one would think Irish/German by the name.

Whatever his background, Pope John Paul II was well-loved by people of differing relgions and backgrounds. All humanity was blessed by having him in our lifetime.


25 posted on 11/08/2005 9:58:55 AM PST by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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So what did Our Lord say to Pope John Paul the Great when he arrived in Heaven?

MAZEL TOV!!!

-Theo

26 posted on 11/08/2005 9:59:17 AM PST by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org)
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Thanks NYer.

W, ping.

27 posted on 11/08/2005 10:16:42 AM PST by onedoug
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To: NYer
Is Jewish a nationality? Because I thought he was Polish. I did hear somewhere, though, that Jesus was Jewish. Maybe this guy should look into that.
28 posted on 11/08/2005 10:17:20 AM PST by wmichgrad ("The only difference between what Senator Kennedy said & a bag of excrement is the bag" Rush 3/2/05)
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To: heartwood


29 posted on 11/08/2005 10:20:17 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: Teófilo; NYer; Salvation; All; Kitty Mittens

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“If my papa Jan Pawell II is Jewish eto fore we are blue people fore we live in Atlantis island of Plato. This writer has misplaced few historical facts. Below is information you may find useful”

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http://europeanhistory.about.com/library/readyref/blpersonpopejohnpaulii.htm

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/pope0264.htm

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/santopadre_biografie/giovanni_paolo_ii_biografia_breve_en.html

thank you all


30 posted on 11/08/2005 10:20:55 AM PST by anonymoussierra ("Credite amori vera dicenti - Believe love is speaking the truth. (St. Jerome)")
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To: NYer
Emilia Kaczorowski - Emily Katz in English

LOL This is that simple! I'm curious how is my surname in English :)

Beside some Ukrainians claims that his mother was Ukrainian...

31 posted on 11/08/2005 1:49:01 PM PST by Lukasz
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis

"Names don't tell you much,.... You don't do genealogy based solely on names and circumstantial evidence."

That is so true. My grandmother was Jewish and her surname was Goy!!! Work that one out if you can!


32 posted on 11/08/2005 2:06:37 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: NYer

I have read that his mother was a Lithuanian. (not from near Krakow!)


33 posted on 11/08/2005 2:40:24 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis

I agree with you. It doesn't matter a whit to me what John Paul's ancestry was. If he *were* part Jewish, it would only make him a closer imitation of him whom he succeeded: St. Peter himself.

Having said that, I think there is another tell-tale sign that the theory is flawed, at least from his grandmother and nearer. His grandmother is Maria Anna Scholz. "Maria Anna"? Well, how many Jews would name their daughter after the mother AND grandmother of Jesus Himself? I imagine very few indeed.

Nothing here would necessarily indicate that Maria Anna's mother could have been Jewish and converted, but it does seem to indicate that the pope's grandmother was *raised* Catholic, and presumably her daughter, the pope's mother, was raised Catholic as well. In any case, the surnames, while often Jewish, are common enough across the board that it probably doesn't mean very much. Besides, in the pope's relationship with Jews during his pontificate, wouldn't it seem likely and opportune for him to mention this aspect of his ancestry if it were true?


34 posted on 11/08/2005 2:41:59 PM PST by magisterium
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To: NYer
"The Pope (JPII) was Jewish says historian"

So was Jesus. So what?

35 posted on 11/08/2005 2:52:02 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: magisterium

For anyone, who has any idea about Polish last names this article is a joke at best.


36 posted on 11/08/2005 3:34:14 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: NYer; Cacique; rmlew; Coleus

Interesting. The only other person I ever heard make this claim was confirmed anti-semite and former Bircher Revilo Oliver.


37 posted on 11/08/2005 3:35:40 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: satchmodog9

See my post above. The anti-semitic conspiracy theorist Revilo Oliver made this claim about 20 years ago, claiming the Vatican was part of the "Zionist Conspiracy" as a result.


38 posted on 11/08/2005 3:36:44 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis

Thank you for the obvious. (Although Meyer is an exceedingly Jewish name.)


39 posted on 11/08/2005 5:50:17 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: NYer
(Jooos!!!)
40 posted on 11/08/2005 9:05:12 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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