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1 posted on 11/08/2005 5:41:00 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 11/08/2005 5:43:15 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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Works for me... even better.


3 posted on 11/08/2005 5:46:23 AM PST by AliVeritas (Weldon Ops, Earle Fatwa Team, Pork Jihadi, MOOSEMUSS, Stick Brigade, Go Steele)
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Not in front of the goyim!!!!!


4 posted on 11/08/2005 5:51:53 AM PST by pikachu (You're unique and special -- just like everyone else.)
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This should give the conspiracy nuts some good fodder.


5 posted on 11/08/2005 5:52:55 AM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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Wish we would have known sooner so then we'd all have a good reponse to "Is the Pope Catholic?"


6 posted on 11/08/2005 5:54:52 AM PST by elc
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Interesting, but flawed theory. My mother has a Jewish maiden name. They came from Czechoslovakia, but several generations earlier, her great-great-great (whatever) grandfather worked - and lived - on a farm owned by a Jewish family. He took their name because he had a permanent home on their land. So, although he was ethnically Czech, and religiously Byzantine Catholic, my mother's family had a Jewish surname.

This could be the case with the pope's mother's family.

That said, it would only increase the stature of John Paul to find out he had Jewish blood.


8 posted on 11/08/2005 5:59:48 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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Emilia Kaczorowski - Emily Katz in English
Maria Anna Scholz. Scholz, or Schulze, is also a common surname among Jews

He was probably a winemaker too, Zeller Schulze Katz.


11 posted on 11/08/2005 6:38:45 AM PST by SJackson (God isn`t dead. We just can`t talk to Him in the classroom anymore, R Reagan.)
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This is stupid. Schulz is a common name among Germans of all ethnicities. It seems like a "Jewish" name merely because of the close connection of Jews and medieval German culture. Katz, Meyer etc. are names held by a lot of Jews, yes, but they are held by an awful lot more non-Jewish Germans. Names don't tell you much, especially in border areas: a lot of Germans have Slavic names; a lot of French have German names. Border areas like Alsace and Bohemia and Poland are places where names mix and mingle. You don't do genealogy based solely on names and circumstantial evidence.

Now, is it possible that some of Wojtyla's ancesters were Jewish? Of course and who cares? But that his mother was actually a practicing Jew who "married out" to a Catholic is so preposterous as to fail the stuck-on-stupid test. There'd be nothing bad about his having had a Jewish mother--as a Catholic I'd be pleased as punch if it were true. But what makes it preposterous is that he certainly would have known it and his father certainly would have known it and people around him certainly would have known it and we wouldn't be waiting for this dipstick sensationalist "researcher" to try to make a buck off of it. The "researcher" unspoken calumny is that Wojtyla hid his mother's identity, was ashamed of it, was, like all Catholics, dontcha know, a self-loathing anti-semite etc. This is a poison piece.

Could there be Jewish "blood" several generations back? Of course, but this guy has made no case for it. And he's using "Jewish" in a purely racial (racist?) way. Wherever in Wojtyla's family tree Jewish members might be found, at some point several generations before he was born, it's clear that they became practicing Catholics. The breathlessness with with media gloms on to something like this when having "Jewish" blood several generations back is no big deal in areas like Poland is silly. If it could be shown that his grandmother or great uncle or grandfather or mother were observant Jews, that would be significant but this guy has made nothing even close to an argument for that.

12 posted on 11/08/2005 7:04:08 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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"I'm not making any firm conclusions, but what I'm saying is that there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to say that he was Jewish.

Yup, thank you very much.

This is the key sentence and it should have been placed at the beginning of the article and not at the end.

In summary, this geezer isn't sure, but thinks he might have been Jewish.

Whatever.

17 posted on 11/08/2005 7:47:48 AM PST by marshmallow
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BS. He was black.


18 posted on 11/08/2005 7:53:46 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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Seriously this article is not even funny.


19 posted on 11/08/2005 7:55:26 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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http://www.repubblica.it/speciale/2003/papa/gallerie/w_wojtylaprima/pagine/0017DDF2.htm

photo of Emilia Wojtyla as a young woman

decide for yourself, if you like. JPII looked like her, and he looked very Polish, but she does look a little different somehow. Not that it really matters. Bless her for being the mother of such a son.

20 posted on 11/08/2005 7:59:18 AM PST by heartwood
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That's right, only Jews were killed in concentration camps in WWII.

/sarcasm


22 posted on 11/08/2005 9:27:58 AM PST by Aggie Mama
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24 posted on 11/08/2005 9:51:29 AM PST by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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So what did Our Lord say to Pope John Paul the Great when he arrived in Heaven?

MAZEL TOV!!!

-Theo

26 posted on 11/08/2005 9:59:17 AM PST by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org)
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Thanks NYer.

W, ping.

27 posted on 11/08/2005 10:16:42 AM PST by onedoug
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Is Jewish a nationality? Because I thought he was Polish. I did hear somewhere, though, that Jesus was Jewish. Maybe this guy should look into that.
28 posted on 11/08/2005 10:17:20 AM PST by wmichgrad ("The only difference between what Senator Kennedy said & a bag of excrement is the bag" Rush 3/2/05)
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Emilia Kaczorowski - Emily Katz in English

LOL This is that simple! I'm curious how is my surname in English :)

Beside some Ukrainians claims that his mother was Ukrainian...

31 posted on 11/08/2005 1:49:01 PM PST by Lukasz
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I have read that his mother was a Lithuanian. (not from near Krakow!)


33 posted on 11/08/2005 2:40:24 PM PST by Gumdrop
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"The Pope (JPII) was Jewish says historian"

So was Jesus. So what?

35 posted on 11/08/2005 2:52:02 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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