Posted on 11/09/2005 2:32:59 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
New York cleric, now out, is still in
UTICA, N.Y. -- The folks on Hospitality Row do not mind talking about the fact that the Rev. Fred Daley of St. Francis de Sales Church is openly gay. They know that is why Daley is in the spotlight at a time when some leaders of the Roman Catholic Church are blaming homosexuals for its sexual abuse scandals, and possibly preparing to bar gays from the priesthood.
But they would prefer to talk about Daley's 13 years of service to their impoverished Corn Hill neighborhood, and how he established one sorely needed social service after another: opening refugee housing in the former convent, a shelter for girls from the streets in the former rectory, a soup kitchen in a former crack house across the street from his imposing red brick church, and affordable day care in the former Catholic school.
What counts for Grace Sunday, a refugee from sectarian violence in Sudan whose family is one of four from that country living in the former convent, is that ''everything is just right here. We lived for four months free. We ate from the food pantry. Now I'm working as a teacher's aide" at the day-care center.
In Sudan, Sunday said, ''You'd be isolated if you said you were gay, and stoned to death" for homosexual activity. ''But in the United States, it's normal. I have to go with the present."
Openly gay priests in the Catholic Church are hardly the norm, however. While there are no firm statistics, supporters and critics of gay priests agree there is a substantial number of gay priests in the US, although only two or three are open about it.
(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...
That's because homosexual priests were molesting adolescent boys and teenagers.
This finger-pointing represented the culmination of two decades of what Daley called ''cold, unwelcoming, and downright homophobic" pronouncements from the Vatican. ''I know what it is like to be excluded, marginalized, rejected, dismissed, and considered immoral and evil."
So he came out because he is - surprise - a homosexual first, and a priest second. No doubt that he doesn't follow the Church's teachings on sexuality.
That headline was kind of revealing. To leftists, their ideology IS their religion.
Just lovely ... .
They're not fooling God with this nonsense ... .
Wouldn't that be "Corn Hole?"
In Sudan, Sunday said, ''You'd be isolated if you said you were gay, and stoned to death" for homosexual activity. ''But in the United States, it's normal. I have to go with the present."
Openly gay priests in the Catholic Church are hardly the norm, however. While there are no firm statistics, supporters and critics of gay priests agree there is a substantial number of gay priests in the US, although only two or three are open about it.
Margaret Steinfels spoke at the University oif Dallas last Satuday. She said that Roime should just leave us alone. Well, Rome did live the American bishops alone for forty years and we seen what has happened.
No, they certainly aren't. The saddest part is this:
But in the United States, it's normal.
It's not "normal," here or anywhere else.
Some time ago I suggested a possible way that the Roman Catholic Church could eliminate many of the problems associated with homosexuals in the ordained ministry. It involved some rather arcane concepts and was primarily addressed to very informed laymen or clergy. Full disclosure: I left the Episcopal Church about 13 years ago and became part of an orthodox catholic (not Roman) religious body which has obviated this moral problem in a disarmingly simple way that could perhaps be applicable in Roman Catholicism. The fact is that I simply don't know and this is not some panacea that I'm naively proposing. It's really an invitation to discussion and dialogue and I would hope to learn if I'm mistaken or ignorant of certain things that would preclude this in Roman Catholicism. Some knowledge of Canon Law and theology based on natural law (as in catholicism) is presupposed. I'm still waiting after all these months for some comments, suggestions, criticisms, and enlightenment!!
First of all, the Catholic Church issued a document in 1961 banning gays from the priesthood. The Holy See has recognized that a major contributor to the scandalous sex abuses has been the reluctance of bishops to apply the 1961 document from the Sacred Congregation for Religious which prohibits the admission of homosexuals to the diocesan priesthood and religious orders. The document states: "Those affected by the perverse inclination to homosexuality or pederasty should be excluded from religious vows and ordination," because priestly ministry would place such persons in "grave danger".
For the benefit of us who never read your suggestion, perhaps you can repost it. Thanks.
later pingout, whoever gets to it first.
If you want on/off the ping list let me and little jeremiah know.
then they should cowboy up and admit there are substantially several mistakes in the US
Romans 1:21-31
1:21 Because, though they knew God, they did not glorify him as God, nor were they thankful; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling corruptible man, and birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Therefore God gave them up, through the lusts of their own hearts, to sexual impurity, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves:
1:25 Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
1:26 For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women exchanged natural relations for that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise the men, leaving their natural relations with woman, burned in their lust toward one another; men with men doing that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1:28 And as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.
1:29 They were filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malevolence; whisperers,
1:30 Slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
1:31 Without understanding, untrustworthy, without natural affection, unmerciful:
With all due respect I know about the "ban", which has always been ecclesiastical policy. But the document you cited was issued 45 years ago and the situation is worse than ever. The possible "solution" I alluded to is one that could preclude the problem BEFORE these men were in Holy Orders. This again involves, as I said, some knowledge of Canon Law and natural theology and does not purport to deal with the problem "after the toothpaste is out of the tube" but in effectively preventing it from occuring in the first place. Again, I welcome discussion with those who have some knowledge of Canon Law or natural theology.
There are no Catholic gay clergy.
And there are no gay caucasions.
muuuuu ha hahahahahaha!!!! Wow...you must live in a deep deep cave....
The Catholic CHURCH is those who actually beleive and head Christ word. Those who beleive and are baptized. No one claiming to be gay is Catholic theya are outside the church; Anathema.
Whether the American administrative bodies of the church tolerate their presence is another story.
The Catholic CHURCH is those who actually beleive and head Christ word. Those who beleive and are baptized. No one claiming to be gay is Catholic theya are outside the church; Anathema.
Whether the American administrative bodies of the church tolerate their presence is another story.
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