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So you have questions about Scientology...
Null and void | 11/14/05 | null and void

Posted on 11/14/2005 6:24:28 PM PST by null and void

As a former member of that, ummmm, organization, I have a standing open offer to answer any FReeper's qusetions about Scientology, either in open forum, or via FReepmail.

I will do my best to answer as promptly, concisely and accurately as possible, but as I left some time ago, I'm not always privy to the latest wrinkles.

Still, from what I can gather from my few remaining contacts not that much has really changed!


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: asdumbasmoslems; cult; scientology; suckersaplenty; xenu
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1 posted on 11/14/2005 6:24:29 PM PST by null and void
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To: Rushmore Rocks; KylaStarr; In_The_Vine; Walkingfeather; Delmont; Trampled by Lambs; kitkat; ...

ping


2 posted on 11/14/2005 6:24:51 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: null and void

What's John Travolta really like?


3 posted on 11/14/2005 6:25:43 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one

Tom Cruise.... gay?


4 posted on 11/14/2005 6:28:07 PM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: hole_n_one

John Revolta? Never met him.

As near as I can tell, he's a nutter...


5 posted on 11/14/2005 6:28:38 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: Nihil Obstat

Ya THINK!?!?!

(Never met him either)...


6 posted on 11/14/2005 6:29:12 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: null and void

What/who encouraged you to become a scientologist in the first place?


7 posted on 11/14/2005 6:30:14 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: null and void

So whats the deal? These guys came from another planet, and blah,blah,blah? So what happens next?


8 posted on 11/14/2005 6:31:21 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: birbear
I read Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health. Something (many somethings) in it just clicked for me.

I read the whole thing in one night, I knew several scientologists who had been in for years and never managed to get through it. ;^)

The thought of being free of unwanted hidden influences in my own mind was very attractive, and I thought it might give me an edge in life.

9 posted on 11/14/2005 6:35:59 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: Nonstatist
So what happens next?

All of the insanity we call our history.

10 posted on 11/14/2005 6:36:42 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: null and void
I can see that. As somebody who has suffered from mental illness, I can totally understand how one would want to be free of it.

I remember seeing seeing Dianetics in a bookstore years ago (like when I was 12 or 13 -- 20 years ago). Then I noticed the author was a sci-fi writer, and I thought... how...uhm...weird.

So I tried to read some of his fiction, and I was completely put off by Hubbard. Good thing. I think the Dianetics would have hooked me.
11 posted on 11/14/2005 6:39:51 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: null and void
Was Battlefield Earth any more bearable to watch when you were still inside the organization?
12 posted on 11/14/2005 6:44:15 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Alex Murphy

I never saw that movie because of the reviews. Just how bad was it?


13 posted on 11/14/2005 6:47:33 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: birbear
*shrug* I think I wasn't any crazier than average.

'Course, these days I'm on Paxil...

Hubbard's fiction sucked. What Asimov would call type 1 science fiction stories, adventure stories with a thin veneer of (not very accurate) science.

Good thing. I think the Dianetics would have hooked me.

Yeah, very good thing. It can be quite seductive...

14 posted on 11/14/2005 6:52:27 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: Alex Murphy

Never saw it.


15 posted on 11/14/2005 6:53:12 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: null and void; floriduh voter; 8mmMauser; Ohioan from Florida

Ping!


16 posted on 11/14/2005 6:54:06 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Stingy Dog

Ping.


18 posted on 11/14/2005 6:56:34 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: Army Air Corps; null and void
- The year is 3000.

- Earth was "once mankind’s home." Actually, as the film’s events portray, it still is. So I’m not sure what the point is.

- For a millennia -- give or take, one must assume, writing from the vantage of the year 2001 -- a "cruel alien race" from the planet Psychlo, imaginatively named the Psychlos, has ruled the Earth. The Psychlos are mining our ores, as, we’re told, they’ve done on "countless other planets," and teleporting them back home. Imagine the surprise of the environmentalist crowd upon learning that the Earth could be ruthlessly strip-mined for a full thousand years and still be coughing up valuable metals.

- Gold is the rarest and most valuable metal of them all. A universal constant, I guess.

- The remnants of the human race, living in "radiated areas," are "on the verge of extinction." Yes, that’s what living in radiated areas for a thousand years would probably lead to.

No man man has greater love than this, than to sit through a bad film and review it for a friend...

20 posted on 11/14/2005 7:08:24 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: null and void

It was like Battlestar Galactica except Lorne Greene wasn't in it.


21 posted on 11/14/2005 7:12:04 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: null and void

What does it teach about the afterlife?


22 posted on 11/14/2005 7:15:00 PM PST by Sybeck1 (chance is the “magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing.”)
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To: null and void

How difficult was it to leave and have you suffered, or endured any repercussions from your actions?

Thanks for the ping.


23 posted on 11/14/2005 7:16:29 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: WestCoastGal

You might be interested in this thread.


24 posted on 11/14/2005 7:17:01 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Westlander
Travolta gives a performance that would make William Shatner wince.
-- Edward Johnson-Ott, Nuvo News.

Travolta's Terl is the Snidely Whiplash of sci-fi, a laughable villain who would twirl his moustache if he had one.
-- Jack Garner, Rochester Democrat and Chronicle.

Travolta plays Terl as a sort of evil aristocrat, but overacts the role at every opportunity. It's like he went to the Brian Blessed School of Subtle Performance but was thrown out for laughing too much.
-- Chris Holland and Scott Hamilton, Stomptokyo.com.

Battlefield Earth is the film Edward D. Wood Jr. might have made if he had been handed $100 million.
-- Joe Baltake, Sacramento Bee.

If 1950s sci-fi schlockmeister Ed Wood could have gotten his hands on $60 million and CGI special effects, he might have made a movie as hilariously gawdawful as Battlefield Earth… When the credits rolled, my cheeks hurt from laughing. I hated this movie, and I had a great time doing it.
-- Rob Blackwelder, SPLICEDwire.

A better reviewer asks "How did this movie get made?"

25 posted on 11/14/2005 7:20:04 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: null and void

The one Scientologist I know believes that L. Ron Hubbard was murdered. Any thoughts on that?


You may be here for a very long time...............once word gets around.


26 posted on 11/14/2005 7:20:12 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: null and void

If you have "hidden influences", how do you know they are influencing you?

I know, silly question.


27 posted on 11/14/2005 7:22:48 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Rushmore Rocks; null and void

Oops, just read on the earthquake thread that you also thought he might have had an untimely demise.


28 posted on 11/14/2005 7:26:18 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Army Air Corps
I never saw that movie because of the reviews. Just how bad was it?

If it was playing on Pam Anderson's naked body I would not watch it again.

29 posted on 11/14/2005 7:26:48 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob

Some friends had watched it and told me to avoid it like the plague. Still, I may watch it for sheer comedic value. Unless, of course, it is relly horrible.


30 posted on 11/14/2005 7:30:06 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: MilspecRob
If it was playing on Pam Anderson's naked body I would not watch it again.

No one said anything about it being presented in 3-D....

31 posted on 11/14/2005 7:31:49 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Stingy Dog

Wait for the next thread?


32 posted on 11/14/2005 7:37:30 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: Sybeck1
What does it teach about the afterlife?

The Thetan is immortal, we just go on and get another body, or do some other undefined stuff.

Note that a Thetan is different than a soul. A Soul is something you have. A Thetan is something you are. It's you. That part of you that isn't your mind (you have a mind). It isn't your body. It isn't 'your' anything.

33 posted on 11/14/2005 7:42:34 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: null and void

What was the etymology of the term, 'scientology'? Science and Astrology?


34 posted on 11/14/2005 7:44:50 PM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: null and void

Are you watching your back right now?


35 posted on 11/14/2005 7:46:04 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
How difficult was it to leave and have you suffered, or endured any repercussions from your actions?

Very. Unless you leave early on, by the time you've been in for multiple years most of your 'wog' friends have either drifted away, or been driven away. There's nowhere to go. Or at least it looks that way.

I personally haven't suffered much at the hands of the church. I left on the standard routing out check sheet, and that gave them few hooks to attack me with. I even got back the money I had on account.

I do know others who have endured quite a bit. One friend even committed suicide.

36 posted on 11/14/2005 7:49:49 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
The one Scientologist I know believes that L. Ron Hubbard was murdered. Any thoughts on that?

Whoooo boy. Give me a bit to find what I've already said on that topic. It will be much easier than trying to retype it all!

37 posted on 11/14/2005 7:52:31 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
If you have "hidden influences", how do you know they are influencing you?

Well, because you find yourself doing and saying things that just don't make sense. (Actually they do, but not in relation to anything that's happening now).

38 posted on 11/14/2005 7:54:56 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: MilspecRob
If it was playing on Pam Anderson's naked body I would not watch it again.

*ouch*

39 posted on 11/14/2005 7:55:43 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: Cvengr
What was the etymology of the term, 'scientology'? Science and Astrology?

LOL! Excellent! No, according to Hubbard, it's the study (ology) of knowing (scio -> science). Or Knowing How to Know...

40 posted on 11/14/2005 7:57:49 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: js1138
Are you watching your back right now?

Somehow that reminds me of the AIDS patient who was asked by his doctor who he got it from. His response? "Jeez Doc, do you think I have eyes in the back of my head???"

I have enough natural paranoia/caution/situational awareness that I'm always watching my 6.

41 posted on 11/14/2005 8:00:45 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: null and void

Was Lisa McPherson's death ever talked about, or is she maintained in secrecy? What is said or unsaid about her?


42 posted on 11/14/2005 8:01:54 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: null and void

Are you Katie Holmes?


43 posted on 11/14/2005 8:04:58 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: null and void

Hubbard was a wacko, Battlefield Earth (the book) was a thinly veiled paranoid fantasy. Ron didn't bother hiding his hatred for psychology (Psychlo's and Catrists) much, for good reason. He would have been committed in most states very easily from the information I've researched. Do they still tell stories of the Sea Org?

I had two family members involved for many years, back when it was really bad. They've been out for about 8 years now.


44 posted on 11/14/2005 8:07:49 PM PST by wvobiwan (Proud Minuteman Project Volunteer - Secure borders, illegals OUT, no 'guest workers'!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Was Lisa McPherson's death ever talked about, or is she maintained in secrecy? What is said or unsaid about her?

Darned if I remember. I had heard quite a bit about her, but I *think* that was after I left, and I think she was still alive at that point. Anyway, no staff member would ever say anything about something like that to public.

45 posted on 11/14/2005 8:08:41 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: nickcarraway

No. Never met her either. (darn!)


46 posted on 11/14/2005 8:09:28 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: null and void

Bookmarking for a later read...


47 posted on 11/14/2005 8:09:48 PM PST by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: wvobiwan
Do they still tell stories of the Sea Org?

As far as I know, the Sea Org is still around, way too many people still have most of their billion year contracts to go...

I had two family members involved for many years, back when it was really bad. They've been out for about 8 years now.

Excellent! Do you know what was their final straw?

48 posted on 11/14/2005 8:12:35 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
The one Scientologist I know believes that L. Ron Hubbard was murdered. Any thoughts on that?

Scientology has a lot of genuinely good people, who are benefiting from the application of 'The Tech'.

The organization OTOH is morally corrupt at the highest levels.

I believe that L. Ron Hubbard was murdered by some of those caring for him.

The people who took over the Church had:

Motive up the wazoo, the Hubbard millions, power over a vast number of fanatically loyal members. (Hubbard signed a brand new Will turning over total control of the Church to his minions only hours before his death).

Opportunity since they were the only people in daily contact with Ron, and total control over what he ate, who he saw, and all information he received.

Means Hubbard died of cerebral hemorrhage. He was being given medical doses of coumodin, a product which is also sold under the brand name Warfarin™. It is a rat poison, that causes death by hemorrhage. Any one of his care givers could have "adjusted" his dose.

Motive-Oportunity-Means. That's all a circumstantial case needs.

And then there's the coverup.

Hubbard was under the care of Dr. Gene Denk, and under California law being under a physician's care eliminates the requirement for an autopsy. Although one could have been requested, there was no autopsy.

The body was cremated within 24 hours of death, and the ashes scattered at sea. No more pesky evidence.

This was said to be in accordance with his religious practices. Curiously, there were no writings calling for cremation in existence prior to his death...

Update. Dr. Denk is dead...

49 posted on 11/14/2005 8:18:07 PM PST by null and void (The enemy of my enemy is my tool...)
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To: null and void

What the heck is the Sea Org? It sounds like a creature from a Conan movie.


50 posted on 11/14/2005 8:25:29 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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