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To: NYer
OK, here's the $64K question:

What authority does the diocesan bishop have over a Jesuit facility? The head of the Jesuits used to be known as the "Black Pope" and was answerable only to Rome.

What's the situation now? Can the bishop rat this group out to Rome?

10 posted on 11/18/2005 7:32:00 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Even though the author of Windswept house was laicised - his story is compelling. The Jesuits are rotten apples at the bottom of the barrel and need to be exorcised.


12 posted on 11/18/2005 7:39:24 AM PST by i.l.e. (Tagline - this space for sale....)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I thought the bishop of a diocese still had sayso over what orders were allowed within the boundaries of his diocese?


13 posted on 11/18/2005 7:40:35 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: AnAmericanMother; ninenot; sittnick
I graduated a Jesuit Prep School so long ago that they were still Catholics. The Jebbies enjoy a protection from diocesan ordinaries that was earned by their predecessors and ought no longer apply to the neo-pagans posing as Jebbies nowadays. These guys are onviously rubbing Bishop Murphy's nose in it. That was not why they report only to the "Black Pope" Kolvenbach and, through him, to B-16. B-16 should suppress the Jesuits on general principles. A 70 year suppression should allow for a better reconstituted Society of Jesus since most current Jebbies would be dead or disabled by then.

Short of full suppression, B-16 can and should strip Kolvenbach and the society of its papal protections. Somehow, the Dominicans and Franciscans and Benedictines and other orders have survived without special status. Likewise, however, B-16 should stand prepared to punish anti-Catholic bishops. Subsidiarity is a cherished principle in Catholicism and in conservatism but it has its limits, Whether a religious order rebels or a bishop rebels, punishment should be sure and swift.

The good news is that, although the Jebbies have gone from "God's Marines" to Satan's in forty years, their numbers are now one third of what they were then and rapidly declining. Their leftist commitments may suppress themselves.

16 posted on 11/18/2005 7:50:22 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Religious orders exercise their ministries in a given diocese "at the pleasure of the bishop." If he feels that an egregious enough situation exists, he can order them out of his territory. It's an extremely rare event, though, and probably more of a PR nightmare and headache than even a modern-day St. Athanasius would want to bear.


21 posted on 11/18/2005 8:03:45 AM PST by magisterium
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