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[Converted to American English spelling from http://oll.libertyfund.org/Texts/Robinson0217/Words/0063_Bk.html#hd_lf063.head.010]
1 posted on 11/21/2005 11:09:08 AM PST by Frumanchu
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GRPL Calvinist Pilgrims Ping!

2 posted on 11/21/2005 11:11:06 AM PST by Frumanchu (Inveterate Pelagian by birth, Calvinist by grace.)
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To: Frumanchu

Excellent article Fru. May you have a happy Thanksgiving.


4 posted on 11/21/2005 11:38:06 AM PST by HarleyD (Joh 8:36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.)
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Thanksgiving American Christian Heritage Ping!


5 posted on 11/21/2005 11:46:40 AM PST by Frumanchu (Inveterate Pelagian by birth, Calvinist by grace.)
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To: Frumanchu; Revelation 911; xzins; P-Marlowe; jude24; blue-duncan
Happy Thanksgiving to you too. I have a great fondness for Pastor John Robinson, not least of all because I can trace my ancestry to the Mayflower Pilgrims. Here's another piece where he is quoted (pardon the old spellings; I've not the time to clean it up just now).
Robinson’s Farewell Address to the Pilgrims upon their Departure from Holland, 1620. The Account by Edward Winslow in his “Hypocrisie Unmasked,” Printed in 1646.

“In the next place, for the wholsome counsell Mr. Robinson gave that part of the Church whereof he was Pastor, at their departure from him to begin the great worke of Plantation in New England amongst other wholeome Instructions and Exhortations, hee used these expressions, or to the same purpose: We are now ere long to part asunder, and the Lord knoweth whether ever he should live to see our faces again: but whether the Lord had appointed it or not, he charged us before God and his blessed Angels, to follow him no further then he followed Christ. And if God should reveal anything to us by any other instrument of his, to be as ready to receive it, as ever we were to receive any truth by his Ministry: For he was very confident the Lord had more truth and light yet to breake forth out of his holy Word. He took occasion also miserably to bewaile the state and condition of the Reformed churches, who were come to a period in Religion, and would goe no further then the instruments of their Reformation: As for example, the Lutherans they could not be drawne to goe beyond what Luther saw, for whatever part of God’s will he had further imparted and revealed to Calvin, they will rather die then embrace it. And so also, saith he, you see the Calvinists, they stick where he left them: A misery much to bee lamented; For though they were precious shining lights in their times, yet God had not revealed his whole will to them: And were they now living, saith hee, they would bee as ready and willing to embrace further light, as that they had received. Here also he put us in mind of our Church-Covenant (at least that part of it) whereby wee promise and covenant with God and one with another, to receive whatsoever light or truth shall be made known to us from his written Word: but withall exhorted us to take heed what we received for truth, and well to examine and compare, and weigh it with other Scriptures of truth, before we received it; For, saith he, It is not possible the Christian world should come so lately out of such thick Antichristian darknesse, and that full perfection of knowledge should breake forth at once.

“Another thing hee commended to us, was, that wee should use all meanes to avoid and shake off the name of Brownist, being a meer nickname and brand to make Religion odious, and the professors of it [odious] to the Christian world; and to that end, said hee, I should be glad if some godly Minister would goe over with you, or come to you, before my coming; For, said hee, there will bee no difference between the unconformable [Noncomformist] Ministers and you, when they come to the practice of the Ordinances out of the Kingdome: And so advised us by all meanes to endeavour to close with the godly party of the Kingdome of England, and rather to study union then division; viz. how neare we might possibly, without sin close with them, then in the least measure to affect division or separation from them. And be not loath to take another Pastor or Teacher, saith hee, for that flock that hath two shepheards is not indangered, but secured by it.

“Many other things there were of great and weighty consequence which he commended to us, but these things I thought good to relate, at the request of some well-willers to the peace and good agreement of the godly, (so distracted at present about the settling of Church-government in the Kingdom of England) that so both sides may truly see what this poor despised Church of Christ now at New-Plymouth in New-England, but formerly at Leyden in Holland, was and is; how far they were and still are from separation from the Churches of Christ, especially those that are Reformed.”

Incidentally, the Pilgrims modeled Thanksgiving after Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles; it was originally celebrated in October, rather than at the end of November. Just thought i'd throw in that historical tidbit.

God bless.

6 posted on 11/21/2005 12:06:29 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Frumanchu; All

A blessed and Holy Thanksgiving to all Freepers past or present


7 posted on 11/24/2005 7:19:47 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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