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Roman Women are Converts to Convents
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| 11/28/05
| Hillary Clarke
Posted on 11/28/2005 6:26:59 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum
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Thought this was interesting...
To: Knitting A Conundrum
"They are starting to reason with their heads and not just believing the messages advertising throws at them." Good for them!
Now if more Italian women would do the same reasoning and decide to have children, there might be a few Italians left in 100 years.
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posted on
11/28/2005 6:38:02 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
To: Tax-chick
they won't if they become nuns.
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posted on
11/28/2005 7:05:27 AM PST
by
CzarNicky
(The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
To: CzarNicky
Well, obviously ... but the ones who aren't nuns don't have children, either.
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posted on
11/28/2005 7:06:40 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
To: Tax-chick
It goes deeper than deciding to have children. Feminism, which teaches that there is no purpose in the differences of the sexes, is one of the great heresies of our day that demeans the role of women. Christian women need to rediscover the truth that there is purpose in God's creation of us as male and female. Instead of trying to ape men, women should demand the respect of being women with the purpose of being God's instrument of bringing forth (both by bearing and by raising and educating at home) the next generation.
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posted on
11/28/2005 7:14:15 AM PST
by
Petrosius
To: Petrosius
I think you're preaching to the choir there when you say that to Tax-chick! She's absolutely one who put her money where her mouth is when it comes to that sort of thing....
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posted on
11/28/2005 7:41:41 AM PST
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: Knitting A Conundrum
And she's a great example, too.
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posted on
11/28/2005 7:42:04 AM PST
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: Knitting A Conundrum; Petrosius
Awfully nice of you :-).
My point was that the decision for a religious vocation, like the decision to have children abundantly, requires a decisive rejection of society's and the media's presentation of what matters in life.
Petrosius is right that the rejection of distinctive characters for men and women is part of the problem. The concept that the most important values are money and "freedom," defined as irresponsibility, is a distortion of the best qualities of both men and women.
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posted on
11/28/2005 7:49:25 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
To: Knitting A Conundrum; Tax-chick
I have no doubt about Tax-chick. God bless her! I posted only because I think we need to start attacking the roots of the problem which can be found in Feminism. Even among conservative leaders there is a reluctance to take on the root assumptions of Feminism and reaffirm the proper distinctions between men and women.
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posted on
11/28/2005 7:49:36 AM PST
by
Petrosius
To: Petrosius
I think feminism is a symptom, rather than the root cause. In my opinion, materialism is the cause - the decisive rejection of the eternal and invisible in favor of the temporal and concrete.
As some of the "Biblical family" advocates among evangelicals point out, men left the home and family first, in pursuit of money and worldly acclaim. Women just followed the example.
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posted on
11/28/2005 7:55:22 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
To: Tax-chick
This might be chicken and egg discussion. Personally, I think that the retreat to materialism was started when the West started to loose a sense of the reality of sacred and eternal. I see a progression that started with the Protestant Reformation. This was a revolt against authority within the faith. This questioning of authority lead to the "Enlightenment" and French Revolution, which were rejections of faith itself. This rejection was given a major boost by Darwin who allegedly gave an explanation for the mystery of life; life which, according to the Evolutionary view, is just the result of random natural events. Thus life in general, and the creation of man as male and female in particular, has no purpose. With no purpose and no hope for eternity, the retreat to materialism is inevitable.
To: Petrosius
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posted on
11/28/2005 8:48:10 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
To: Petrosius
Don't forget Freud, who told us it was all about sex. And many in the Church itself appear to have believed him.
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posted on
11/28/2005 8:53:57 AM PST
by
livius
To: Knitting A Conundrum
Very interesting. I think vocations to cloistered orders are up in Spain, too, particularly since some of the orders have started going back to various traditions - both informal "in-house" and liturgical - that they dumped after VatII.
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posted on
11/28/2005 8:55:11 AM PST
by
livius
To: Knitting A Conundrum
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posted on
11/28/2005 9:07:33 AM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Tax-chick
Oh, I know that...I just know you are a great role model for a more appropriate approach. And I am pleased that some people are beginning to see what really matters!
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posted on
11/28/2005 12:40:23 PM PST
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: Petrosius
Start it with the renaissance, and part of the cultural reaction to the bubonic plague, amongst other things. The Protestant reformation grows out of that particular matrix.
There's a lot of crossroads that got us to the point we are in now.
But here we are.
So we have to show the world the alternative.
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posted on
11/28/2005 12:48:19 PM PST
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: Knitting A Conundrum
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posted on
11/28/2005 3:44:08 PM PST
by
Tax-chick
("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
To: Knitting A Conundrum; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; ...
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posted on
12/02/2005 6:35:21 PM PST
by
Coleus
(Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
To: Knitting A Conundrum; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...
I expect an explosion of regular (as opposed to diocesan) religous vocations over the next three decades. What are your thoughts?
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posted on
12/02/2005 6:36:42 PM PST
by
narses
(St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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