[AnAmericanMother]

The "until" is what throws people. Modern English-speakers assume that it means that she DID have relations after she brought forth her first born.

The problem arises because of the King James translation -- in the 17th century, "until" did not imply that the eventuality ever happened, it just was a point in time.

What makes this clearer for modern English speakers is a surviving usage: "She never used tobacco in any form until her dying day." That does NOT mean she started smoking or dipping after her death!

[bonfire]

LOL!

I look at the virginity of Mary as alot of to-do about nothing. All that SHOULD matter is that she was a virgin before Jesus' conception. Whether she was AFTER Jesus just doesn't make one whit of difference to me.

(if she dipped or smoked, who could blame her??!) :)

[Uri’el-2012]

The "until" is what throws people. Modern English-speakers assume that it means that she DID have relations after she brought forth her first born. The problem arises because of the King James translation -- in the 17th century, "until" did not imply that the eventuality ever happened, it just was a point in time.

What makes this clearer for modern English speakers is a surviving usage: "She never used tobacco in any form until her dying day." That does NOT mean she started smoking or dipping after her death!

58 posted on 12/27/2005 7:16:56 AM MST by AnAmericanMother

What is clear is that you want to believe something
that is not in the Holy Word of G-d.

You want to believe man-made doctrine.

The use of "She never used tobacco in any form until her dying day."
Until is used as a conjunction and something changing at a point in time.

The plain text suggests that after her death she no longer operated as a living being.

b'shem Y'shua