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To: XeniaSt
The "plain text," XeniaSt my friend, is in Koine Greek in the New Testament: where, as I illustrated from St. Paul, the word heos sometimes does, and sometimes does not, indicate a change in action.

As I mentioned before, when St. Paul writes that St. Timothy should devote himself to reading, exhortation, and teaching "until I arrive," he in no way implies that Timothy should "change in action" or STOP attending to reading and exhortation AFTER Paul arrives.

Neither you nor your scholarly source, Strong, has addressed this use of the word "heos," a use which is consistent with the Septuagint Greek found in the OT verses which I cited (and which you also did not address.)

This is, of course, as Greek-speaking people have always understood it --- Greek Christians, including many scholars, whose interpretation strikes me as more reliable than that of Strong, who studied Greek only as a second language. I sure wouldn't argue with millions and millions of Greek Orthodox Christians about anything as basic as the meaning of a conjunction in their own language!

In any case, let me refer you a scholarly native speaker who explains the more ancient view:

http://home.it.net.au/~jgrapsas/pages/Brothers.htm

It's ludicrous to call this Gnostic. I myself am no scholar, but it's Greek to me. :o)

69 posted on 12/27/2005 7:20:10 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: XeniaSt; Mrs. Don-o

Ya Chuck. Kind of like "brothers" means "cousins" in Matthew but golly there happened to be a "cousin" greek word in Luke used for Elizabeth. Whatever's convenient for them i guess.


70 posted on 12/27/2005 7:36:17 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Mrs. Don-o
As I mentioned before, when St. Paul writes that St. Timothy should devote himself to reading, exhortation, and teaching "until I arrive,"
he in no way implies that Timothy should "change in action" or STOP attending to reading and exhortation AFTER Paul arrives.
1Ti. 4:13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.

The plain text implies that Paul plans different activities for Timothy after he(Paul) arrives.

I pray that someday you will understand the Holy Word of G-d
as G-d plainly intended it and not as it has been redefined
in order to support beliefs that are clearly not in the Holy Word of G-d.

Ps. 146:2 I will praise the LORD all my life; I will sing praise to my God as long as I live.

Ps. 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save.

Ps. 146:4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing.

Ps. 146:5 Blessed is he whose help is the God of Jacob, whose hope is in the LORD his God,

Ps. 146:6 the Maker of heaven and earth, the sea, and everything in them — the LORD, who remains faithful for ever.

b'shem Y'shua

89 posted on 12/27/2005 8:56:25 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 ( For who is G-d besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except for our G-d (2 Samuel 22:32))
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