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A rolled-away stone gathers Moss: from Judaism to Catholicism
Envoy ^ | Tim Drake

Posted on 12/31/2005 7:39:53 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Coleus; All
....... I wondered why He did that. He certainly didn’t have to.
This led me to wonder why He changed the water into wine,
when He could have just gone poof and made the change..........

1 posted on 12/31/2005 8:39:54 PM MST by Coleus

For all those who have wondered why Y'shua changed water into wine
when He could have just gone poof; the answer lies in NUMBERS 19.

The water that Y'shua changed was not the water we think of,
it was not drinking water. It was the water of purification as detailed in NUMBERS 19.

The water of purification was used to remove sin under the old covenant.
By the act of changing the water of purification into wine, Y'shua
ended the OT means of removing sin.
This is the beginning of the New covenant as outlined inf JEREMIAH 31:31

Y'shua by this miracle pointed to His power to remove sin.

Y'shua demonstrated that He was greater than the Red Heifer.

Later He would become the Pesach Lamb,
removing sin forever to all who would look to Him for salvation.

b'shem Y'shua

21 posted on 01/01/2006 10:17:24 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in the YHvH for ever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: Dark Skies; Coleus
most powerful passage in the book, IMO...

Mr. Schoeman also addresses a question that has plagued me for years. He writes:

Both Matthew and Mark explicitly mention Jesus' silence as well as the underlying motive of envy. From Matthew 27:12-18:

"But when he was accused by the chief priests and elders, he made no answer. Then Pilate said to him, "Do you not hear how many things they testify against you?" But he gave him no answer, not even to a single charge; so that the governor wondered greatly ... For he knew that it was out of envy that they had delivered him up."

Mr. Schoeman points to the Lemann brothers (also Jewish converts) who made the touching point that Jesus' silence before the High Priest was motivated by His profound respect for the office of the Jewish Priesthood. Mosaic law forbids compelling a witness to testify against himself. It was because Jesus did not want to put the High Priest in the position of sinning against that law that He refused to answer the High Priest's questions even though beaten for it. (John 18:19-23) which he then quotes. Jesus acquiesced only when the High Priest ordered Him to answer in the name of God.

This is extraordinary! I am not familiar with Mosaic law and could never have figured this out. Can you imagine! Here is the sinless Son of God respecting Jewish laws so as not to cause his accuser to sin!

22 posted on 01/01/2006 10:20:12 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Love it! Do they also make swim caps ;-)


23 posted on 01/01/2006 10:21:18 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Desdemona
Is there one for life guards too?

Natch.

(- proud but tired holder of a BSA Lifeguard certification).

24 posted on 01/01/2006 10:24:44 AM PST by AnAmericanMother
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To: NYer
They got ball caps . . . really there are some neat, neat T-shirt designs.


25 posted on 01/01/2006 10:31:40 AM PST by AnAmericanMother
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To: Coleus
The following addresses had delivery problems:

rmoss@catholic.com

Permanent Failure: 550_No_such_user_-_psmtp Delivery last attempted at Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:44:46 -0000

26 posted on 01/01/2006 10:47:44 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in the YHvH for ever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: Dark Skies

Funny thing about the Lord, He has an amazing sense of humor.>>

Anyone responsible for the human sex instinct HAS to have a very low sense of humor--with a fondness for practical jokes.


27 posted on 01/01/2006 10:56:09 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: NYer
Mr. Schoeman points to the Lemann brothers (also Jewish converts) who made the touching point that Jesus' silence before the High Priest was motivated by His profound respect for the office of the Jewish Priesthood. Mosaic law forbids compelling a witness to testify against himself. It was because Jesus did not want to put the High Priest in the position of sinning against that law that He refused to answer the High Priest's questions even though beaten for it. (John 18:19-23) which he then quotes. Jesus acquiesced only when the High Priest ordered Him to answer in the name of God.

This is extraordinary! I am not familiar with Mosaic law and could never have figured this out. Can you imagine! Here is the sinless Son of God respecting Jewish laws so as not to cause his accuser to sin!

22 posted on 01/01/2006 11:20:12 AM MST by NYer

You might want to review Isaiah 53:6-7 for the answer
as it is a Messianic prophesy:

Isaiah 53:6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.

b'shem Y'shua

28 posted on 01/01/2006 11:33:00 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in the YHvH for ever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: sitetest

It's a regional thing, Sitetest.

My parents, being from Minnesota, prefer to use the "suppercessionist" wording. My wife, a Texan, uses "dinnercessionist."

Me - I just like food.


29 posted on 01/01/2006 12:06:12 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: AnAmericanMother
My wife and I have matching t-shirts in the blue:


30 posted on 01/01/2006 12:08:45 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: NYer
This is extraordinary! I am not familiar with Mosaic law and could never have figured this out. Can you imagine! Here is the sinless Son of God respecting Jewish laws so as not to cause his accuser to sin!

The whole book is extraordinary. It was an eye opener...to see how a Jewish believer in the Lord (who was someone steeped in rabbinical training) viewed God's careful planning with the Jews right up to the birth of Mary (and beyond).

Wonderful book...mine blowing stuff.

Have a Happy New Year!

31 posted on 01/01/2006 12:25:42 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
Anyone responsible for the human sex instinct HAS to have a very low sense of humor--with a fondness for practical jokes.

There was a time in my life when I thought I was being called to the priesthood (and I'm not Catholic)...and of course I had to face the seemingly unsurmountable power of the human sexual drive. It took some time to overcome, but, when all was said and done, I found that I gained a new strength which exactly corresponded (however inversely) to the power of that particular temptation.

I think it was that incident that taught me that overcoming temptation of any kind (of course, it never goes away) is sort of like physical exercise...the strength gained depends of the weight of the object lifted.

32 posted on 01/01/2006 12:35:36 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies; Coleus; Convert from ECUSA
The whole book is extraordinary. It was an eye opener...to see how a Jewish believer in the Lord (who was someone steeped in rabbinical training) viewed God's careful planning with the Jews right up to the birth of Mary (and beyond).

Mr. Schoeman is very approachable, via email. He has a 2nd book in preparation and sent me the following in June 2005:

* * * * *

Given your previous interest in my book "Salvation is from the Jews", I thought the following might be of interest:

1) I will be the guest on the upcoming episode of EWTN's "Franciscan University Presents" show, interviewed by Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Michael Scanlon, and Dr. Regis Martin. It is scheduled to air on the worldwide EWTN Cable/Satellite Network on Tuesday July 5th at 1 PM, and repeated Friday July 8th at 3 AM and 11 PM (all times EST).

2) My second book on the topic of Jews who have entered the Church, titled "Honey from the Rock: 19 Jews who have found the Sweetness of Christ" is at the publisher's (Ignatius Press), and will be released later this year.

3) I could use your help with my third book! It is going to be based on questions that Catholics have about Jews and Judaism; if you have any that you would like to send me...

4) I have a page on my website that I keep updated with my speaking schedule (http://www.salvationisfromthejews.com/talks.html) , but for now it looks like I will be speaking in Winnipeg Sept 2-4, the Boston area Sept. 11 and 12, Washington DC Sept. 18, St. Louis MO Sept 24-25, and Alburquerque NM Oct. 9 (more details are on the webpage).

Anyway, that's the news at the moment. Thank you for your interest in my book, and most of all, for your prayers!

God Bless, Roy Schoeman

* * * * *
Freepmail me if you would like his email address.
33 posted on 01/01/2006 12:38:08 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Freepmail me if you would like his email address.

I would certainly like to have his email address. His book has meant much to me and to friends I have shared it with, and I would like to tell him so.

34 posted on 01/01/2006 12:44:03 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: XeniaSt
Thank you for the post ... most interesting.

I'm guessing that you are a Messianic Jew. Have you ever attended the liturgy at a Maronite Catholic Church?

35 posted on 01/01/2006 12:55:29 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Thank you for the post ... most interesting.

I'm guessing that you are a Messianic Jew. Have you ever attended the liturgy at a Maronite Catholic Church?

35 posted on 01/01/2006 1:55:29 PM MST by NYer

Yes I am Messianic. I attend Roeh Israel in Denver.

It was founded by Eliezer Urbach.

b'shem Y'shua

36 posted on 01/01/2006 1:15:11 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in the YHvH for ever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: NYer

b'shem Y'shua

37 posted on 01/01/2006 1:25:56 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in the YHvH for ever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: jo kus
You are true to your moniker.

Thank you. I've not heard that one before. :-). Sorry for the mistake. Male or female its the same ol' song.

38 posted on 01/01/2006 3:29:13 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: onedoug
The Episcopalians drove me to Judaism.

Lol. Messianics drove me to Judaism. I attended Messianic synagogue in Denver. There were about 10 trinitarians who grew up in Jewish homes. The rest of the trinitarians, about 300, were non-Jews wearing kepha's and prayer shawls pretending to be Jews. I was one of them. Just couldn't take it anymore.

39 posted on 01/01/2006 3:37:19 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: XeniaSt
Yes I am Messianic. I attend Roeh Israel in Denver.

What were you before that?

40 posted on 01/01/2006 3:38:46 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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