Posted on 01/18/2006 11:50:52 AM PST by johnk
I agree that the men who met, using their best intellectual reasoning, came up with that. It was new doctrine. That does not mean that it was right.
There is a teaching by the Apostle Paul that teaches how it is supposed to be done.
1 Cor. 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit, which is of god; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of god.
1 Cor. 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but what the Holy Ghost teacheth; Comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of God; For they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
He is teaching that if we ask god, he will give us an answer by the power of the holy ghost and the answer will not be what the intellectual or natural man would give.
I testify that it will be freely given to those who sincerely ask. Just as Paul taught, that is how it is done.
The Trinity is the best the greatest minds in the world could come up with.
I agree that the men who met, using their best intellectual reasoning, came up with that. It was new doctrine. That does not mean that it was right.
It also doesn't mean that it was wrong.
As long as it was concluded by prayerful believers who based their conclusions in (and not conflicting with) the accepted scripture, ... it can be seen as a reasonable explanation for the nature of God.
The doctrine of the trinity was not a new gospel, ... it was simply an attempt to better understand what the scriptures were saying to us about the nature of God.
The gist of the doctrine is this ...
God clearly states in the accepted scriptures that He is One. God says, in Isaiah, that He was the first, ... and that He is the last, ... and that there is no other God beside Him.
OTOH, ... the New Testament offers evidence that there are three Persons who are all referred to, ... and/or worshipped as God ... those being, the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost (Spirit).
In fact, a major confirmation for this is given in Matthew 28:18-19 ...Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.So ... we are left with a bit of a (human) dilemna ... One God ... and three Persons.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Such is, essentially, the synthesis of the doctrine of the Trinity.
Scripture says that there is One God ... okay!
Scripture says that there are three Persons which are God ... okay!
Though we (humans) may not fully understand how this could be, ... the truth is that we should not try to box God into our level of understanding.
Jesus said that ... "With God, ... all things are possible ..."
When one is prayerful about the issue, ... and asks God for His wisdom, ... there is no problem with understanding that we cannot and will not fully comprehend the fullness of the nature of God ... nor will we understand much that He does.
Our minds are, simply, too finite ... to ever fully comprehend His fullness ... while we remain in this life.
And ... God doesn't require us to fully understand His nature. In fact, ... He declares that His ways are (in some measure) ... beyond our understanding.Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.We are only expected to accept and believe what God has revealed to us.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
God has revealed that He is the One (and only) God ... from eternity past ... to eternity future.
And God has revealed to us that He manifests (or acts ... if you will) ... as three Persons.
The truth is that ... the more we grow in our spiritual maturity (i.e. as we grow to conform to the image of Christ) ... the more we will understand the truths that He has revealed to us.
In the meantime, the faithful christian will accept God's revelations as to His nature ... whether they understand them ... or not.
I'm sure those men in council prayed. What, you think God was so unimportant in their lives they forgot to pray and ask him for wisdom?
That is foolish and defies logic (and Spirit.) To those believers, as to all who believe, is given the Holy Spirit who guides one to truth. As I said, human mind cannot comprehend. Their answer to Biblical questions is far, far better than the lame one Jospeh Smith, Brigham Young and the like preach. That God was once Man! That is blasephemy! Millions have prayed about that and see the blatent untruth.
If you choose to believe it...it is your right.
There is a teaching by the Apostle Paul that teaches how it is supposed to be done.1 Cor. 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit, which is of god; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of god.He is teaching that if we ask god, he will give us an answer by the power of the holy ghost and the answer will not be what the intellectual or natural man would give.
1 Cor. 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but what the Holy Ghost teacheth; Comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of God; For they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
What this passage really says ... is that non-believers (i.e. the non-spiritual) ... cannot understand the spiritual truths of God.
In order to understand the (spiritual) truths that God reveals, ... one must have one must have an operative spiritual life.
But ... I will affirm that the conclusion you draw from the passage ... is true.
God's truths ... and God, Himself ... must be spiritually apprehended.
But why do you consider that the (spiritual) study of the accepted scripture ... is not part of that spiritual exercise ?
Know you not that the the Holy Spirit is the Author of ... and has inspired the writing of ... the scriptures ?
How could one hope to accertain the truths of God ... by prayer alone ?
Why do you think that God gave us the scriptures ... if we are to apprehend His truths by prayer alone ?
No faithful christian will ever declare that the truths of God can be attained through scriptural study alone.
We have always been taught to seek God's truth ... through the prayerful study of His scriptures.
We pray to God for His wisdom ... as we seek His truth in the scriptures.
And ... if we are blessed with a revelation which is not explicitly found in the scriptures ... we can be sure that such a revelation will not contradict the scriptures which He (God) has already given.
The more correct approach to ascertaining the truths of God is ... not just prayer, ... and not just study, ... but through ...... prayerful study of God's already revealed truth in the accepted scriptures,In other words ... it's a lot more than a feeling.
... the testing of any further revealed truth against those scriptures,
... and the rejection of anything which violates those already revealed scriptures.
In LDS practice, the gift of the Holy Ghost is given by the laying-on of hands as indicated in the New Testament (see Acts 8:17-18; 19:2-6; 2 Tim. 1:6; Heb. 6:2), normally immediately following or within a few days of the baptism by water. http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/godhead/holy_ghost/gift_eom.htm
If this is so, that you cannot receive the Holy Ghost until it is conferred upon you, who is it that answers you when you pray to receive wisdom about the truth of the Book of Mormon? Who would it be that grants you the burning in the bosom or the still small voice?
In Act 2:2- we find:
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (KJV)
I didn't read where "someone with authority went around laying hands on everyone present." The Holy Spirit is a gift of God...the indwelling of his Spirit to answer truths. It is NOT a gift by a preisthood bearer laying on hands. Once again this teaching is not Biblical.
In mainstream Christianity, the Holy Spirit is one person of the Trinity, co-equal with the Father (God) and the Son (Jesus).
Christians believe it is the Holy Spirit who leads people to faith in Jesus and the one who gives them the ability to lead a Christian life. The Spirit dwells inside every true Christian, each one's body being His temple (First Epistle to the Corinthians 3:16). He is depicted as a 'Counsellor' or 'Helper' (paracletus in Latin, derived from Greek), guiding them in the way of the truth. The Spirit's action in one's life is believed to produce positive results, known as the Fruit of the Spirit. The Spirit is also believed to give gifts (i.e. abilities) to Christians. These may include the charismatic gifts such as prophecy, tongues, healing, and knowledge. Christians holding a view known as cessationism believe these gifts were given only in New Testament times. Christians almost universally agree that certain more mundane "spiritual gifts" are still in effect today, including the gifts of ministry, teaching, giving, leadership, and mercy (see, e.g. Romans 12:6-8). In some sects of Christianity, the experience of the Holy Spirit is referred to as being "anointed". In the African American Gospel music tradition, the experience of the Holy Spirit is referred to as 'getting happy'.
Christians believe that it is the Holy Spirit whom Jesus mentions as the promised "Comforter" (i.e. "strengthener", "fortifier") in John 14:26. After his resurrection, Christ told his disciples that they would be "baptized with the Holy Ghost", and would receive power from this event (Acts 1:4-8); a promise that was fulfilled in the events recounted in the second chapter of Acts. On the first Pentecost, Jesus' disciples were gathered in Jerusalem when a mighty wind was heard and tongues of fire appeared over their heads. A multilingual crowd heard the disciples speaking, and each of them heard them speaking in his or her native language.
In John's Gospel, emphasis is placed not upon what the Holy Spirit did for Jesus, but upon Jesus giving the Spirit to His disciples. This "Higher" Christology, most influential in later development of Trinitarian doctrine, sees Jesus as a sacrificial lamb, and as coming among mankind in order to grant the Spirit of God to humanity.
Please read....
Some Proof Of The Trinity
Please Answer This Question:
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
Did you say God? Good answer, for it is written...
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
But we also read Jesus saying and the the Scriptures stating...
John 2:19-21- Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.See? Jesus said He would do it.
Now the Holy Spirit...
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Now, the Father...
Romans 6:4 -Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Bible is the best commentary on itself !
A Dozen Quick Scriptures That Show Jesus Is God
You will see 12 Scriptures and ONLY Scriptures that clearly identify Jesus as God, Yahweh, Jehovah. The ONLY way to get around these Scriptures is to go to a source OUTSIDE the Bible - man's words either in books, or man made Bibles that deviate from the original languages.
Suffice it for now to know that certain words in the Greek such as "world" and "God" do not require the definite article "ho" and the last phrase of John 1:1 is correct in the KJV, NKJV, and NIV where it reads "... and the Word was God."
1 Jo. 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Titus 2:13 - 13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
2 Peter 1:1 - Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
John 20:28 - 28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Col. 2:9 - 9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Rom. 9:5 - Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Isa. 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Heb. 1:8 - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Rev. 1:17 - And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Isa. 44:6 - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
John 1:9 - That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. Psa. 27:1 - The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Col. 1:16 - 18 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Isa. 44:24 - Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
You have to pay someone overtime to miss that !
The overall evangelical Church today (with some exceptions) holds to the scriptural interpretation and the historic belief that was delivered in the early church from the apostles.
The same men that preserved and protected the Bible sometimes giving their lives, also defended the triune nature from other’s who denied the deity of Christ, and other Christological errors. It is for this reason that Christianity has classified the denial of Jesus Christ's deity and the triune nature of God as the common denominator of all cults.
If there is no eternal Son then there is no eternal Father. This phrase very well become the battle cry for the Trinitarian position today.
This should help explain it to you.
ELOHIM
In the Bible the word for God in the Hebrew that is most often used is Elohim. It is a plural noun. Today it is popular to say it means plural of majesty. However the form of the word, Eloh-im, is plural. The word for God in the singular sense is El which is used most often in describing Gods characteristics or attributes. El Eyon, El Shaddai, In the Hebrew when Elohim is when used of the true God it is used singular, as a composite unity, when it is used of false gods it is used in the plural. (ex. you shall have no other Gods Elohim before me.") Is God calling the false Gods majesties. God is not this nice to impostors who cause people to rebel and forsake him.
When looking at its usage it always refers to persons in the plural, there is no passage I've come across that it is used in the sense they claim.
For example in Gen 1:24-31 "Let us make man in OUR image is an appeal to self; Not to God and the angels. God is speaking of Himself and with Himself in the plural number. Some say this is a reference to the fullness of the divine power and attributes He possesses. This only part of it as God’s Divine Being is more than His powers and attributes for within contains persons. He would not be speaking to his attributes but to that which can respond.I sa 40:13-14 “Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or as His counselor has taught Him? With whom did He take counsel, and who instructed Him...”
The preface im (masculine in gender) at the end of a word makes the word into a plural form. For example the angels called seraph or cherub are in the singular but when they are Seraphim or Cherubim they mean more than one.
The word for heavens is shamayim Gen.1:2 Again in the plural. Could we ever interpret this as a plural of majesty.
we find from the scriptures all the attributes of God belong to Elohim, they also belong to the three persons who are the Elohim. The word Elohim can also be used for one person of the godhead or all three since they all share in the commonality of that eternal essence of deity. Each person the Father, Son and Spirit are 100% deity so when they appear singularly there is no division of that deity since God is indivisible. The same rule would be for the word God theos, in the N.T. . Such as in Jn.1:1 the word was with God and was God as sharing in the same essence.
Even the ancient Rabbis recognized this word as related to more than one. In the Midrash Rabbah on Genesis Rabbi Samuel bar Nahman in the name of Rabbi Jonathan said, that at the time when Moses wrote the Torah, writing a portion of it daily, when he came to this verse which says "And Elohim said, let us make man in our image after our likeness," Moses said, Master of the Universe why do you herewith an excuse to the sectarians (Who believe in the Triunity of God), God answered Moses, You write and whoever wants to err let him err."In other words God had Moses write down what is correct, and we are to study to understand it. Selah
Elohim can be used as a general term for God in the O.T.. For example Samuel was called a Elohim when he came up from the dead (1 Sam.28:13-14) In Ex. 7:1 Moses was made an Elohim to Pharaoh. Jesus call the rulers in Israel Elohim, "Gods" ? (Jn. 10:34) After the Jews accuse Jesus of blasphemy because he being a man claimed to be God he answers "Is it not written in your law I said 'You are Gods" citing Ps.82:6: " This was addressed to the judges of Israel they were called Gods not because they were divine but because they represented God when they judged the people and were misrepresenting God. Jesus’ point," is intended to show that the idea of a communication of the divine majesty to human nature was by no means foreign to the revelations of the O.T." ( New Commentary on the whole Bible,Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown) So this title can be bestowed on those who are not by nature God. However they were never called Yahweh or I Am.
1 Cor. 8:5-6 states "For even if there are so-called Gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords) yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live."
The Mormons use this scripture to promote their view of polytheism. Paul is speaking to the Corinthians who had a background of worshipping the Greek pagan gods and idols. He was writing in context before this about the idols they once worshipped. These were not God by nature even though they called them God. Look at how Paul clarifies this" but to us there is one God and includes both the Father and the Son."
I know that it was not "new" at the time of the council. As was indicated earlier it came from the writings of Tertulian, who lived 150 years earlier.
His writings were rejected by the Bishop of Rome during his lifetime, so even though they were around for 150 years, it was still revisionist as had been found by the Bishop of Rome.
We see the same process where historians are writing revisionist histories now.
It reviewing the processes at the council, they debated and used their intellectual power and learning to establish what the compromise doctrine would be. It was readily admitted that the ideas came from the writings of what were considered to be scholars. Nobody claimed it came from inspiration.
Since you know how the process works, you can ask and learn for yourself. It isn't an intellectual process.
Of course, if you already "know" you won't be open to promptings of the Holy Ghost.
the very scripture they use to defend contradicts the Trinity but they are unable to distinguish that!
*-You have two personages that identify themselves in definitions of a Father and a Son
*-and one of the personages, also makes a point to identify I am the Holy Spirit,
*-which is planly different from the two others in the Godhead which are of Flesh and Bone.
but for some reason it seems their minds are unable to deal with concepts that are not mingled or diluted with extraneous matter!
In LDS practice, the gift of the Holy Ghost is given by the laying-on of hands as indicated in the New Testament (see Acts 8:17-18; 19:2-6; 2 Tim. 1:6; Heb. 6:2), normally immediately following or within a few days of the baptism by water.
One is complaining that we were asked to pray if that which we have received is true (The Book of Mormon)?
Their parrot rebuttal
If this is so, that you cannot receive the Holy Ghost until it is conferred upon you,
Who would it be that grants you the burning in the bosom or the still small voice?
CoCo you must have been asleep in Sunday school as a child we all have the Holy Ghost to help us discern, but when you have the Holy Ghost confirmed upon you, as long as you remain worthy he will always be a constant Companion! A Follower of Chirst is taught to pray to Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus Christ?
For some reason mainstreamers still is questioning this
May I remind them the Holy Bible Scriptures tells us to PRAY ALWAYS!
Romans 1
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, AND the Lord Jesus Christ.
8 First, I thank my God THROUGH Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the GOSPEL of HIS SON, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
The mainstreams have nothing that the Lord told the followers of Christ to prefect them in the latter days, in the Perfecting of the Saints!
The Clergy of the world work very hard to dismiss this by reminding the unlearned in the Word that Rev 22 said do not add or subtract even though it ONLY PERTAINS to Revelation Book not to add or subtract!
Rev.22 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of THIS BOOK, (of Revelation) If any man shall add unto these things, It is the MAINSTREAM CLERGY WHO ARE GUILTY OF ADDING TO THIS BOOK OF REVELATION! God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in THIS BOOK (of Revelation) :
19 And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the BOOK of (of Revelation) this prophecy, IT IS THE MAINSTREAM CLERGY WHO IS TAKING AWAY FROM THIS BOOK OF REVELATION BY DENYING REV 14:6God shall take away his part out of the book of life,
and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book(of Revelation)
The doctrine of the trinity was not a new gospel, ...
I know that it was not "new" at the time of the council. As was indicated earlier it came from the writings of Tertulian, who lived 150 years earlier.
My point was not that the idea of the trinity was not new, ... but, rather, ... that it was not ... "another gospel".
It was, simply, an attempt to synthesize the various testimonies of the coalescing scriptures ... as to the nature of God.
As such, ... it did not (and does not) ... change the gospel message ..."Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ... and you shall be saved."And the belief in the Trinity can be supported ... strictly ... from the writings of the Old and New Testaments.
... i.e. that which was already taught (and written).
... i.e. ... no new gospel.
Since you know how the process works, you can ask and learn for yourself. It isn't an intellectual process.
It is a spiritual process ... which includes the study of the accepted scriptures by necessity.2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.Of course, if you already "know" you won't be open to promptings of the Holy Ghost.
I have been open to the promptings of the Holy Ghost for 40 years or more ...
... and ... the Holy Ghost has never revealed to me anything ... which contradicts what He has already revealed (i.e. the scriptures).
He is consistent that way.
Dan these lovely folks are not the hearer nor the seer of the Word they are in re-action and defense mode which causes them to get hysterical and argumentative!
Physician ... heal thyself!
Rev. 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of THIS BOOK, (of Revelation) If any man shall add unto these things, It is the MAINSTREAM CLERGY WHO ARE GUILTY OF ADDING TO THIS BOOK OF REVELATION! God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in THIS BOOK (of Revelation) :
What have they added ... restornu ?
19 And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the BOOK of (of Revelation) this prophecy, IT IS THE MAINSTREAM CLERGY WHO IS TAKING AWAY FROM THIS BOOK OF REVELATION BY DENYING REV 14:6God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book(of Revelation)
What have they taken away ?
A vote 300 years after Christ is supposedly a work of the Holy Spirit. The diety of Christ was the minority view at the Nicence counsel yet only Bishops could vote so it passed. Popes, Bishops & such gave doctrines such as perpetual virginity of mary, apostolic succession and papal authority as well and protestants don't feel the need to embrace those. They must not be "feelin" it. lol.
Who answers your prayers, if it is not the spirit of God, whom you say you cannot recieve without the laying on of hands?
*-Addendum:Something added or to be added, especially a supplement to a book etc
*- Rev. 22 interpretation or explanation (add & subtract),
*-selecting only 66 books to be sanction by political Clergy without the of mantle of Lord Jesus Christ Priesthood
*-to enable discerning 5000 years plus of Our Lord Jesus Christ Word in the hundreds of manuscripts,
*-and of course the Nicene Creed interpreting or explanating the natural of the Godhead!
***** The most important thing of all, that the Nature of the Godhead....to think that the Lord would leave the earth, and expect the world clergy 300 years later needed to add an Addendum to the Bible literal written word needed more debates by men???
Reason says NO!
I am thankful for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the Lord Jesus Christ Prophet Joseph Smith for doing the work of the restortion of the Lord WORD and Doctrines and Covenants!
Rev. 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of THIS BOOK, (of Revelation) If any man shall add unto these things, It is the MAINSTREAM CLERGY WHO ARE GUILTY OF ADDING TO THIS BOOK OF REVELATION! God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in THIS BOOK (of Revelation)
What have they added ... restornu ?
By distorting what Rev. 22 verse 18 says, WHEN THE BOOK OF REVELATION is ONLY a BOOK UNTO ITSELF, and does NOT speak for the other 65 books in the Bible, but Revelation is to testify of Jesus Christ and to record Revelations of Jesus Christ!
19 And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the BOOK (of Revelation) this prophecy, IT IS THE MAINSTREAM CLERGY WHO IS TAKING AWAY FROM THIS BOOK OF REVELATION BY DENYING REV 14:6 has been fullfiled God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book(of Revelation)
By distoring and denying other scriptures of the Lord for the Warning in The Book of Revelation is Pertaining within The Book of Revealation, and has no bearing on other Books of the Lord Jesus Christ! What have they taken away?
Again Jesus Christ gave us his word, it is for each of us...we are under no compulsion to believe what someone tells us to believe. You see, it isn't like the Mormon Church where they tell you what your doctrine is, and if you do not submit, then no Celestial Kingdom for you!
The doctrine that your General Authorities have determined you must believe is abhorrent...that He was once a man who progressed into a God. You have made God in YOUR image...
Like the trinity?
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