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Good old Diocese of Buffalo- I sure hope this works!
1 posted on 01/18/2006 1:46:37 PM PST by Ercolino
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To: Ercolino
Many mainstream Catholics view Tridentine Mass proponents as anti-ecumenical obstructionists of an evolving church. And some worry that a nod to the traditionalists could be construed as a subtle brushing off of the controversial Second Vatican Council that ushered in many church changes.

This paragraph perfectly illustrates the utter ignorance most people, "mainstream" Catholic and otherwise have regarding Vatican II and it's teachings on ecumenuism and the mass.

3 posted on 01/18/2006 2:11:03 PM PST by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: Ercolino

**I sure hope this works!**

I don't think so -- especially if they have to answer to the USCCB.


5 posted on 01/18/2006 4:33:17 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Ercolino
Best of luck on this one, northern New Yorkers!

Una Voce Buffalo wants to add a priest from outside the diocese, trained in celebrating the traditional Mass, to serve as pastor.

I cannot tell you how critical this is. Our one "sanctioned" Latin Mass in San Antonio has a very loyal following. Our priests, however, are a bit challenged to say this traditional Mass.

The older ones who know it are a bit frail...and the young ones don't know it. Either way, you find it tough to hear the priest...who's murmuring the liturgy either due to age-related weakness or age-related fear of messing up something he really doesn't know.

6 posted on 01/18/2006 6:43:15 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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8 posted on 01/18/2006 6:47:46 PM PST by Barnacle (The Democrat Party consists of a gaggle of criminal defense attorneys, and their clients.)
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"The pope met with Society of St. Pius X leader Bishop Bernard Fellay in August, although the group still hasn't reconciled with the Vatican."
Paris, January 13, 2006 (Apic). The Superior-General of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X has wished to minimise the oppositions between the latter and the Vatican. Bishop Bernard Fellay has expressed the certainty that the conclusion of the conflict begun in 1988 between John Paul II and Archbishop Lefèbvre will be reached under the reign of the new pope.

9 posted on 01/18/2006 6:54:22 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: Ercolino

A traditional Catholic mass celebrated by priests in schism is one thing. A traditional Catholic mass celebrated by a priest who serves as pastor under a bishop is quite another kettle of fish.

As long as the bishop gives permission and regularizes it, it's a fine idea. The Pope gave permission many years ago for diocesan bishops to authorize Latin masses in their dioceses. The only oxen to be gored would be the progressive liturgists. Frankly, they are not bishops and have no authority to determine what the liturgy should be. If they didn't like it, they could lump it.


10 posted on 01/18/2006 7:13:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Father Barreiro bumpus ad summum


12 posted on 01/18/2006 8:00:06 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Ercolino
The traditional Mass, celebrated in Latin and marked by long periods of silence and private devotions by the faithful, emphasizes a personal relationship with God.

And the problem with this is....?

This is a big reason a lot of us go to Adoration - which has been persecuted. It seems like there are people out there who don't want to do any reflecting or deep thinking. They'd rather be "entertained" and that is not what Mass is about.

16 posted on 01/19/2006 5:59:14 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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The traditional Mass, celebrated in Latin and marked by long periods of silence and private devotions by the faithful, emphasizes a personal relationship with God.

"It's a whole different approach to the celebration of liturgy," said Monsignor Anthony F. Sherman, associate director of the Secretariat for the Liturgy at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

The current Mass dispenses with most of the mystical features of the Tridentine form and invites parishioners into a more communal worship.

This revolution in the emphasis for spiritual worship echoes the rise of communism in the twentieth century. Perhaps it was merely a response to the tide of secularism, but the argument can easily be made that it is an adoption of secular mores, which is nothing new. The Church has a need from time to time of reform due to the effect of creeping secularism. Perhaps, now that communism has fallen, we can return to our personal relationship with God, rather than the collectivist version we've had to endure. A sign of hope is to be found of all places in post-modern philosophy with its emphasis on the personal nature of Truth, however a sign of despair is modern politics and economics with its emphasis on globalism.

17 posted on 01/19/2006 6:45:42 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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