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To: Lochlainnach
Well, I'm not a scholar looking to put my words into Jesus mouth.

I certainly didn't mean you personally.

Finally, that the Gospels were written by men he personally chose, and that followed him is of no doubt. But much of the NT is written by Paul, and by others who never met Christ.

Actually, Paul and Luke are the only writers of the NT who did not know Jesus personally, and some scholars believe Luke was one of the disciples who followed Him but was not one of The Twelve. Since Luke's accounts in Acts are mostly of events he witnessed himself and the original disciples are mentioned extensively, it's a sure bet he wasn't putting anything out that they would have objected to. The other disciples accepted Paul, and Peter even accepted a rebuke from him. There's really no evidence at all that the NT or any other early Christian writings were outside the doctrines laid down by Christ while he was here.

Now, of course, Paul says God was revealed to him through a ray of light, and looking at the amount of passion he exuded forming the early church, I'm inclined to believe him. But this hints at what I meant by the religion being formed after Jesus death.

Well, not to nitpick, but Paul said Jesus appeared to him in light and they had a conversation. This conversation was witnessed by his travelling companions. As for the religion forming after Jesus' death, it's clear he intended to establish a relgion, saying to Peter "On this rock I will build my church."

In fact, if you think about it, if the Resurrection happened the men who witnessed it would guard the truth of the whole Jesus story very well. If there was no Resurrection, then Christianity is not something to be respected, but a cruel fraud. But then, what would be the motive for fraud, if these guys spent their lives poor and at least some of them died by violence?

121 posted on 01/22/2006 11:01:00 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Given the subject matter, shouldn't Heath Ledger get a Best Actress nomination?--Rambette)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I don't think Paul was necessarily "divergent" in his teachings or anything like that. For the sake of simplifying, I was just trying to separate Christ from those after who had such a monumental influence on Christianity, especially considering Paul played such an important role in the formation of a Christian church and structured system instead of one that devolved into hundreds of different sects.

You're right as far as Paul and Luke were the ones who did not know Jesus...in fact, I was basically referring only to Paul and the large amount he contributed.

Sorry about the minor inaccuracies.
122 posted on 01/22/2006 11:15:36 PM PST by Lochlainnach (Rifle man's stalkin the sick and lame; preacher man seeks the same, who gets there 1st is uncertain)
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