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To: steadfastconservative
This sounds like an ultra-trad pipe dream and it's not likely to happen.

These groups want to celebrate the Mass the way its been celebrated for a millenium. The sixties came along and the Church had no room for these Catholics. They celebrate the same Mass as my father grew up with. Please what makes them "ultra-Trad"?

15 posted on 01/31/2006 6:14:34 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: TradicalRC
SSSX teaches the Jews are condemned

SSPX teaches the normative mass is evil

SSPX has spread hatred and enmity about the Magisterium, routinely attacked the Pope, the Mass, and the Council

Other than that they are total, abject,failures. Their only "successful" act has been to create a schism.

18 posted on 01/31/2006 4:13:39 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: TradicalRC
BTW, how can the schismatic ssspx, in good conscience, repudiate the Ecumenical Council when its founder, Marcel, signed every document?

I am, frequently, told he is a latter day St. Athanasius. That being true, the sspx can't even maintain the Traditon of its "Saintly" founder yet it claims to be the only outfit maintaining Christian Tradition. If that is true, then the SSPX founder was a charlatan, a liar, easily duped, or an insane man when he signed the Documents.

What is the SSPX's position about that?

19 posted on 01/31/2006 4:22:05 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: TradicalRC

The missal of Pius V was promulgated around the year 1568. Thus, the Tridentine rite is only 550 years old, not 1000 years old. Before the Council of Trent, several rites were used in the Church. Moreover, the Roman rite itself had changed over the course of the centuries before Trent. However, since the Roman rite changed very little after the Council of Trent, many Catholics mistakenly believe that it never changed and that, therefore, the changes that Vatican II made to the liturgy were "wrong." I certainly think that the changes to the liturgy were not explained well to the laity and that they were made much too quickly. I also realize that many Catholics were bewildered by these changes and felt as though the Church didn't care about their feelings or opinions. My father almost left the Church because he was so upset by the changes; and I don't like alot of the changes that were made. However, the Second Vatican Council had the authority to order that the liturgical rites be revised since it was an ecumenical council.

An "ultra-trad" is someone who thinks that Vatican II was "illegitimate" and who thinks that it created a "new Mass." Actually, the Missal of Paul VI is just a revision of the Missal of Pius V; it is not a new rite. It's the Roman rite.


28 posted on 02/02/2006 5:25:50 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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