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To: NYer

A campaign is off to destroy the Church and intimidate into silence orthodox Catholics who are working for reform and change.

If these allegations are proven true, church authorities may have walked right into this one and become co-responsible for the implosion, having provided the enemies of the Church with plenty of ammunition to bring her down.

I pray to the Lord that these allegations are not true, for the sake of the Catholic faithful of said dioceses.

-Theo


7 posted on 02/07/2006 1:35:28 PM PST by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Teófilo

I am sorry. I do so wish there were any doubt, any doubt whatever. There is none.

For many years I went down the road you now tread, trying to deny the evidence and hoping for the best. Eventually I could no longer travel that road. I have been shown that the situation is extreme. Hoatson is making an understated view of the situation. My sources are of the very highest quality.


17 posted on 02/07/2006 2:09:13 PM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Teófilo

We all need to open our eyes and understand that there are not two tracks -- heterosexual and homosexual -- in the Catholic hierarchy. If there were, the hetero bishops would have stopped it. Instead, we have low-level heroes like the Springfield priest who brought down his bishop, or the pastor of Our Lady's in Newton, Mass., who was without a church for a long time until he was given the chaplaincy at Brandeis after a sufficient period of keeping his mouth shut.
The entire upper hierarchy is homo or supportive of it.
This attack on homo priests and bishops and cardinals and likely, popes, is just that, an attack on perverts, and not on our religion.
As someone put it here a while back, just another organization screwed up by middle management.


24 posted on 02/07/2006 3:09:01 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: Teófilo

"I pray to the Lord that these allegations are not true, for the sake of the Catholic faithful of said dioceses."

But if they are true (and they appear to be from my pew unfortunately), I pray for Truth to win and cleansing to begin to give us hope.


37 posted on 02/07/2006 5:26:43 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Teófilo
I believe these allegations wholeheartedly. I will never, ever, forget being at mass that Egan said. Afterwards, he walked around, or before, I can't remember. Suddenly this incredibly effete Italian man a pew or two ahead of me, and he was at least six foot four or five so impossible not to notice, starts mincing and making noise at Egan and batting his eyes at him. Egan comes over and starts making noise over this guy. And starts basically flirting and talking to him in Italian. My mom and sister were with me so I was not alone witnessing this massively witnessed open flirtation by Egan. Then he gets up and does this over the top homily with this ridiculous booming theatrical voice.

Let's see, there is also the priest at my former parish. My son did his Eagle Scout project for the parish: he made a bedding around a the Church Sign and put in a great deal of landscaping which he had procured. When he first laid out the basic framework of the bed, he invited the priest to come over and look at this design. Well, right in front of me, the priest starts batting his eyes at my son, mincing around and saying, "oh, the bed's too bid! oh, the bed's too big!" wink, wink, nod, nod, and so on. I couldn't believe it! But I should not have been surprised. I left my previous parish because THAT priest asked my son in his Catholic school eighth grade class to step to the board and draw a picture of an adult circumsised male-including, yes, you guessed it, his penis. In my outrage I contacted then Cardinal O'Connor. Well, after the hubub ensued and other parents came forth with similar stories, this priest was not removed from the parish or priesthood, but told to refrain from entering the school. The assistant to Catherine Hickey, Superintendent of Schools, spoke with me and asked me if this measure was satisfactory. I said, no! of course not. Would the Foreman of a Ford Motor plant be restricted from running and overseeing the assembly line for heaven's sake? I have since learned that this same assistant (whose authority as a School Administrator, btw, was nil-only a Priest in an Administrative position could truly mete out a punishment, a fact not lost on me) has left his position: why? Seems he told the people downtown (at the Chancery in NY) that HE had been abused by a priest as a boy and HE couldn't bear these confrontations any longer.

On another note: when I moved my kids to a new Catholic School, soon, I learned the sex ed program would be "Growing in Love". I fought a hard battle there and had it removed, but not before earning the disdain of many who did not like my outspokeness regarding this tripe passed off as catechetical fare. It openly endorses teaching fourth graders about anal sex and many other perversions and has been explicated from many diocese by activists.

In spite of it all, I remain a religious education teacher. What do I teach? I subvert the catechism book in my care for dissemination by teaching mixture of Father John Hardin's series: Faith and Life. This I mix in with the Baltimore Catechism. Since the DRE doesn't ever bother really overseeing my classroom, she's none the wiser. V's wife.

38 posted on 02/07/2006 5:58:28 PM PST by ventana
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To: Teófilo

Rather than pray for a specific outcome (our will), I've learned to pray for God's will, in the resolution of such matters.
The trick in praying for a particular outcome, is that we often don't have all of the facts, or the wisdom to understand the results of what we've asked for.


51 posted on 02/07/2006 7:30:32 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Teófilo

This goes to the very core of the Holy See.

Until and unless we are true to ourselves and point our finger at the true enemy of the Church, the faithful will continue to abandon it.

I gave an oral oath years ago to defend to the death our Church and its prelate and will continue to do so until my last breath. But, as long as the Church continues to stick her head in the sand and, not only ignore its enemy, but in many instances aligning herself with it, the flock will conitinue unbated to abandon the Church.

To align with the enemy and pretend that the faithful are a bunch of ignoramuses, is of the highest treason.

I hope and pray that Pope Benedict, whom I admire immensely, will see the light and stray away from the enemies' lies and deceits.

The enemy continues to laugh at us, as we continue to willingly ignore it.


183 posted on 02/09/2006 8:56:39 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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