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I started to read that tome you sent me, but I just couldn't. My finger got tired scrolling down just to see how long it was.

I will just say this to this.....

"The Catholic Church is completely consistent with Scripture. The views you are proposing contradict Scripture directly. If you feel that faith calls you to contradiction of the Revealed Word of God, so be it. Please desist with the polemical approach that attempts to frame the Church as somehow abandoning the Word of God. That is not us, we do not contradict Scripture on any point. Those traditions invented sixteen centuries after Christ contradict Scripture directly on each of their distinctive claims. I think I have demonstrated this in this post for two such points."

I can plainly see that you believe that the Catholic Church is consistant with Scripture. I can also see that you believe that my beliefs contradict the Scripture. As far as you and I are concerned, I will try to not nudge into your debates about such. However, I will continue to defend and debate Catholic tradition verses Scripture. While I didn't read this defense of your traditional basis, I'm sure I've read it in other places such as Newadvent.com.

You and I just disagree. I'm going to leave it at that. I hope that you have a wonderful week.

Sincerely

"I started to read that tome you sent me, but I just couldn't. My finger got tired scrolling down just to see how long it was. "

LOl, yes, it was very long. I was puzzled when you said I was not basing my beliefs on Scripture, so I wanted to be more thorough. I highlighted all the Scriptures that were quoted, so you can find those easily enough while scrolling with no risk of dislocating your finger. There was a lot I left out regarding Scripture and the Eucharist, by the way.

"I can plainly see that you believe that the Catholic Church is consistant with Scripture."

Yes it is, and that should be easy enough to prove me wrong if that were not the case.

"I can also see that you believe that my beliefs contradict the Scripture."

Not necessarily your beliefs, Scubienuc, because I know those are probably much more complex than I would necessarily infer from your statements and we haven't had enough conversations for me to understand how you approach the Christian life. But certainly, some of the formulations being used contradict Scripture. My point, Scubienuc, is not an attack on your belief system, but rather I'm trying to overcome a common prejudice in some of these conversations that the Catholic view is somehow opposed to Scripture. It's not, The Church was formed in the bosom of the Apostolic teachings, including the Scriptures. Hence I point out that we Catholics have legitimate concerns of the doctrine of Justification by faith alone, as the formulation does contradict Scripture. As I've mentioned earlier, we can accept it with certain qualification, but it does present us some difficulties from a Scriptural perspective because we want to be sure that it does not exclude hope and love, exercised along with faith in the Christian life. Likewise, the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. This is the teaching of Scripture, as I demonstrated in my last post, and it is the Universal witness of the Apostolic Faith as well.

"As far as you and I are concerned, I will try to not nudge into your debates about such."

I enjoy your comments, ScubieNuc, and wouldn't have taken the time to respond to your concerns at such length if that were not the case. By all means, continue to challenge me as a fellow Christian.

"However, I will continue to defend and debate Catholic tradition verses Scripture."

That's fine. I'll tell you right now, however, there is no opposition between the two, something I addressed in the last post. The onus is on you to show that the Church definitively contradicts Scripture. If you can specifically and accurately do so, more power to you. You argued that the Catholic Church contradicts Scripture on the Nature of the Lords supper. I think I've demonstrated pretty thoroughly that it does not, it embodies the teachings of Scripture. If you feel my post was inaccurate, you are more than welcome to challenge it on the grounds of Scripture which you feel support an alternative interpretation to the Lord's words other than what He plainly said. "Take and eat. This is my Body." We believe it because Jesus says it, ScubieNuc.

"You and I just disagree. I'm going to leave it at that. I hope that you have a wonderful week."

Thank you, ScubieNuc, have a good one yourself.

-iq