[sionnsar]

I share your hope for better times for the Latin Rite sionssar,

Although Mike the Geek wrote the above, I do rather hope for better times for the Latin Rite. Though I have never heard it and do not know it, I am presuming that (I may have been told this) it is more beautiful and powerful, even if you have to learn Latin, than what replaced it.

[Claud]

Sorry...I attributed it to you. :) When I said "Latin Rite" I meant both the New order of Mass and the old--technically they are both the Latin Rite even though the new Mass is in English. The way we use it anyway, rite and language are two separable aspects of the liturgy.

And you're 100% right about the old Latin liturgy. I attend it every week when I can, and its beauty and power is undeniable. I see much of the very same qualities in high Anglican liturgies (including the Anglican Use authorized by Rome not too long ago), and it has left me convinced that the vernacular was never the problem--it was how the vernacular was done.

Ahh, but our bishops don't seem to see this as a problem, sadly. So no thees and thous for the foreseeable future.