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Posted on 02/22/2006 11:51:34 AM PST by Youngstown
"Thus, the "Siri thesis" has been dismantled by "insiders," members of that very traditional Catholic milieu which had been favorable to the idea in principle."
"This reveals that, despite their understandable confusion about the situation of the Church in the early 21st century and their continuing dissatisfaction with the Church’s leadership in Rome, these traditional Catholics have considerable good will, that is, they are committed to seeking the truth, not "conspiracy theories" without any foundation in fact."
"If this is the perspective of the most radical of the Catholic traditionalists, there seems room for guarded optimism about the possibility of coming to some sort of meeting of the minds over the questions which most trouble Catholic traditionalists, involving the changes in the Church’s liturgy and in her rites of ordination of priests and consecration of bishops. In this new pontificate, the time may have come for traditional Catholics and "conciliar Rome" to "reason together" to find a way forward in a complex and confusing world."
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Hmm, never heard of the "Siri Thesis" before. It doesn't surprise me though.
People arguing over the color of smoke to "justify" their position. I guess they needed a break from the "3rd-secret-of-Fatima-hasn't-really-been-revealed-yet-even-though-Sister-Lucia-said it-was" theory.
I am in agreement and hopeful with the Editors at Inside the Vatican that "traditional Catholics" and "conciliar Rome" the Holy See of the Catholic Church may REASON together for the full reunion of those who have chosen schismatic tendencies.
The ball of Faith and reason now lies in the "traditionalist" court to decide if they will play it.
If Cardinal Siri had been elected pope by the 1958 coclave, and declined to become pope, for any reason, he wouldn't be pope. It wouldn't be the first time someone declined to be pope. That just means there is another vote and whoever is elected becomes the legitimate pope.
Why did Cheney coner-up for her? Because she is his lover.
But, it gets even worse. She, the beauatiful blonde, is the daughter of the blonde man seen firing shots from the grassy knoll near Dealey Plaza. Enough said about that.
For lunch on that fateful day, Cheney drank a Coors beer. The Coors family is German and we all know that Prescott Bush helped fund Herr Hitler's war machine.
What isn't so well known is that the Coors live in Colorado and they are HUGE supporters of Haliburton and Oil Companies which are polluting the world and causing Global Warming. The reason? Global Warming will cause the Polar Ice Caps to melt and cause a devestating flood nearly submerging our continent and making Colorado a coastal State.
THAT is the significance of the Cheney shooting matter but few realize it.
What does this have to do with the Siri thesis? Cheney sort of looks like Siri did and Cheney is the real President just like Siri was the real Pope.
It is all so obvious when you simply make the obvious connections
The Papacy was high-jacked by heretics and judaizers etc. One can read the texts,peridocials, etc on the paranoid right and become sickened by the hatred of the Jews and find many examples of blaming them for Vatican Two teachings such as Nostra Aetate.
And Mr. Hutton is one such antisemitic individual
Here is another example...
“During the Conclave, a Cardinal left the Sistine Chapel, met with the representatives of B’nai - B’rith, announced to them the election of Cardinal Siri. They replied by saying that the persecutions against the Church would continue at once. Returning to the Conclave, he made Montini to be elected.”
On pages 607 to 609 of his book, "The Keys Of This Blood," Fr. Malachi Martin, perennial insider (infiltrator) and eye-witness to the '63 Conclave, admits that Siri was elected Pope (again) in 1963, but that his election was "set aside" because of an outside "communication" (interference) by an "internationally based organization", regarding a "grave matter of [Vatican] state security." He then tries to justify outside interference of the conclave if it is conducted "by authorized persons" or if "the very existence of the Vatican City-State or its members or dependents" were at stake."
[Note: Fifteen minutes after Pope Gregory XVII ("Cardinal Siri") died on May 3, 1989, Fr. Malachi Martin called Mr. Gary Giuffre, the expert on Gregory XVII's Pontificate, from Italy and angerly blurted out to Mr. Giuffre (paraphrase) "Drop it, he's ("Siri") dead!" There is evidence that Fr. Martin was a Marrano (cryptic-Jew)
*It is sick and twisted and evil but that is what passes for "information" now-a-days
There was an article published in 1966 in Look Magazine (I have a photocopy of it off the microfilm from the library because it gives the actual details of Mr. Martin's departure from Rome) which outlines his role:
http://www.fisheaters.com/jewsvaticanii.html
Joseph Roddy, "How the Jews Changed Catholic Thinking", "Look" Magazine, Volume 30 No. 2, January 25, 1966The American Jewish Committee's intellectual monthly, Commentary, had offered a most bleak report on the Council and the Jews by the pseudonymous F. E. Cartus. In a footnote, the author referred the reader to a confirming account in The Pilgrim, a 281-page book by the pseudonymous Michael Serafian. Later, in Harper's magazine, Cartus, even more dour, added to the doubts on the Jewish text. To buttress his case, he recast Pilgrim passages and cited Council accounts in Time, whose Rome correspondent had surfaced for by-line status as author of a notably good book on the Council. At the time, both Time and the New York Times were glad to have an inside tipster. Just for the journalistic fun of it, the inside man's revelations were signed "Pushkin," when slipped under some correspondents' doors. But readers were served no rewritten Pushkin on the Council's last sessions. The cassock had come off the double agent who could never turn down work. Pushkin, it turned out, was Michael Serafian in book length, F.E. Cartus for the magazines, and a translator in the Secretariat for Christian Unity, while keeping up a warm friendship with the AJC. At the time, Pushkin-Serafian- Cartus was living in the Biblical Institute, where he had been known well since his ordination in 1954, though he will be known here as Timothy Fitzharris O'Boyle, S.J. For the journalists, the young priest's inside tips and tactical leaks checked out so well that he could not resist gilding them every now and then with a flourish of creative writing. And an imprecision or two could even be charged off to exhaustion in his case. He was known to be working on a book at a young married couple's flat. The book finally got finished, but so did half of the friendship. Father Fitzharris-O'Boyle knew it was time for a forced march before his religious superior could inquire too closely into the reasons for that crisis in camaraderie. He left Rome then, sure that he could be of no more use locally.
Apart from his taste for pseudonyms, fair ladies, reports on the nonexistent and perhaps a real jester's genius for footnotes, Fitzharris- O'Boyle was good at his job in the Secretariat, valuable to the AJC and is still thought of by many around Rome as a kind of genuine savior in the diaspora. Without him, the Jewish declaration might well have gone under early, for it was Fitzharris-O'Boyle who best helped the press harass the Romans wanting to scuttle it. The man has a lot of priests' prayers.
In all his books published since 1970, Mr. Martin listed "The Pilgrim" under the pseudonym "Michael Serafian" as one of his works. Mr. Martin is the Irish Priest spoken of in this article. More recently, Robert Kaiser has come forward to publicly admit in "Clerical Error: A True Story" to being the man with whose wife Mr. Martin had an adulterous affair, confirming more of what this article contains, and not just an adulterous affair, but one polluted with birth control and feminist brainwashing of the man's wife.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/734637/posts
This is why as you well know: "In 1965, Mr. Martin received a dispensation from all privileges and obligations deriving from his vows as a Jesuit and from priestly ordination." [Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, 25 June 1997, Prot. N. 04300/65].
Sources tell me that she was a Dane.
Cheny and his henchmen think of John Dean as a loud-mouthed chick. And that is the source of the "she is a Dane" witticism.
It is all so easy when you just take the time to connect the dots.
Yet, here in F R, Malachi is treated as though his writings were equivalent to the Gospel of St. John
Martin was a confused double-minded occultist. On the Art Bell radio show, he is recorded as having doubts about criminalizing abortion and expresses admiration for the spiritual prowess of Native American Shamans.
> It is all so obvious when you simply make the obvious connections
Don't leave me hanging!
Well, that is probably over-stating it but Martin's writing have led many to think his fiction is barely-disguised Gospel truth rather than, as you note, the product of a double-minded man who committed adultry with the wife of a friend.
I have been over this stuff with some of my solid Christian Catholics friends but it never penetrates. They love Martin and his fiction.
Martin spins great Irish yarns, but it is just that ... fiction.
I have never read Malachi Martin and never will. It seems to me, as bornacatholic has said above, that this man has with great gusto destroyed the Faith of many good Catholics. That is what The Deceiver aims to do. FR is good for many things. Posts like these are quite helpful in knowing where "not" to tread.
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This whole Cardinal Siri business has helped to contribute to a good deal of the confusion affecting the ranks of America's "Traditonal Catholics," since at least the Spring of 1982. Not only that, but many priests and religious brothers of the religious orders, including the mis-named "Society of St.Pius X," have apparenlty evolved some pretty wild beliefs and practices of their very own, over the past generation.
In some cases these beliefs and practices appear to have more to do with those old-time winners, the Albigensians, than they do with any kind of orthodox christianity. Yeah, I'll have to agree, that when the pope is portrayed as weak and vacillating, any number of "special interests" can readily move in.
Like "the late but still the great" Smith Hempstone said 'way back in 1978, regarding the Jonestown Massacre: the key to Rev. Jones was that he made his followers really believe "that their souls, and not just their social security checks, were worth stealing."
I'm afraid many of today's "Siri Crowd," have been slow in picking up on this element anmong certain "Independent and Traditional Clergy!"
I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, but I would like to get the complete truth on this topic nonetheless.
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