Posted on 03/01/2006 10:35:38 AM PST by Full Court
Those churches are deader than dead too. I visited a church once that was colder than a morgue and was not surprised one bit when I saw that they left the SBC to join up with the CBF. All we need to remember about the CBF is that is where Jimmy Carter has affiliated himself.
http://www.sbts.edu/mohler/FidelitasRead.php?article=fidel008
Completely normal & you're welcome to come for them.
I don't think it's a fake.
Thanks for the link, very informative.
bttt
You are most welcomed.
There's a "church" down the street from me I call Our Lady Buddha of the Holy Cinema. At least that's its name this month. There are many fun and diverse names that fit.
Luther and Calvin who came out of the Catholic Church didn't have as good of understanding as we do?
Not fake. JUst not referring to this group of Baptists. It likely refers to the Donatists and was in a letter CL "Alberto Bavariae Duci".
Baptistic beliefs have existed throughout all times, even if you can not find a solid trail of "Baptist Churches" back to the original apostles. We weren't called Baptist for one. Second, you can't find today a non diversity of beliefs that you would call "Baptist" today. I mean what is Baptist? Do ALL Baptists believe in biblical inerrancy? Do ALL Baptists believe in conservative values? What about the American Baptists?
But, lest Catholics get on their high horse- despite the fact that there is a Catechism in the Catholic church- does every Catholic denomination believe the same?
History is written by what we have proof of. Much of history is lost because the people living it either couldn't write it down or wrote it on perishable items that weren't preserved. Still, there is a trail (not the famous Trail of Blood which I believe is historically flawed) of beliefs that today's conservative Baptists would gladly hold on to. The Waldenses are one group where Baptists could find many similarities. (particularly around the Reformation) as well as the Petrobrusians. You aren't going to find a one for one semblance there, but if I were to compare the doctrines of Catholicism in say 300 and compare them with today I would see something quite different as well.
Baptists aren't pretestants. Protestants resulted from the Reformation; Baptists preceded the Reformation. (Real Baptists don't "do" Ash Wednesday.)
Amen!
Odd sort of church. It started out as an ECUSA mission, but they are now completely independent.
When we first started considering leaving ECUSA, that was one of the places we visited . . . but no bishop, very mega-church style, and no emphasis on the sacraments, so we rejected that one pretty early on.
Believe it or not, that was one of the books that edged me towards the church. That and Cardinal Newman. Go figure . . .
They started out being quite formal with an ECUSA liturgy (Book of Common Prayer etc.) but in recent years they have become more and more evangelical & charismatic. They tend to mega-church style services with well-choreographed praise choirs and bands, the sermon is more central than the Eucharist.
As I noted above, we considered the church but rejected it early on because we were always very "High Church". In the Diocese of Atlanta, if you're High Church the only place to go is Catholic. The diocese is traditionally "low" and the bishop has just about destroyed the only Anglo-Catholic diocese in Atlanta.
Baptists aren't pretestants. Protestants resulted from the Reformation; Baptists preceded the Reformation.Though Christian history is full of people who, at one time or another, took theological positions that bear some resemblances to modern Baptist beliefs, there is no historic continuity of a community of "Baptists" any earlier than 1600 or so.
Baptists preceded the Reformation that same way that Communists preceded Marx.
But its not Biblical! /sarcasm off.
If you read this Christologically, as the Church always has, you realize that if Christ is the King, his mother is ---- ta-daah! --- the Queen Mother.
Now I'll admit I always wondered --- as a properly democratic American girl with no real connection to monarchy on any level ----whether Mary was just a festival figure like the Northwest Pennsylvania Strawberry Queen, or whether she was a ceremonial regent like Queen Victoria, or whether she was a figure with more personal power like Elizabeth I. However, I have no problem with the insight that if Christ is King the whole family is royal.
Don't we tell our kids they're Sons and Daughters of the King?
Besides, it's God's delight to humble the exalted and exalt the humble. And it would be hard to find anybody more humble than Mary of Galilee. "Behold the handmaid of the Lord. Be it done unto me according to thy word."
Yay! You go, girl.
I appreciate your desire to keep things religiously separate, especially if it's a matter of principle. I can respect that.
However, as a Catholic I have the highest esteem for Baptists (all my Mr. Don-o in-laws are Baptist) and I really love praying with you-all.
I'm thinking, we're family: and Our Father likes to see us drawing nearer to each other as we draw nearer to Him.
Yes, this is where Michael Youseff pastors. He is actually a very good biblical teacher. I do know if I would call it a mega church. It is in a very affluent neighborhood. I do have some very good friends that attend there and we are for the most part in agreement doctrinally. Church of the Apostles is NOT a liberal church.
I'm on staff at In Touch Ministries and at one time we called Leading the Way (Michael Youseff's broadcast ministry) In Touch south. It is amazing how the Lord uses radio and television to reach closed countries with the Gospel! Both ministies are broadcasting in the Middle East.
Lutherans believe in Sola Scriptura and have always observed Lent, Ash Wednesday, etc.
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