I'm sorry I cannot listen to this through work. I will attempt later. In the mean time, can you provide me the condensed version? Thanks.
notwithstanding -- further up on yesterday's thread has a link to an article about the Teaching about Touching program and its alternatives. That's basically the crux of the whole thing. Flynn is being vindictive because Father Altier disagreed with the TAT program -- hope you can listen to the audio later.