Posted on 03/07/2006 9:34:16 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
There is another problem as well... the Shroud has been around (for either 700 or 2000 years) and handled by other human beings who left small pieces of themselves through hair, sloughed skin cells, sweat, saliva (it has been kissed frequently), and any other way that a human body can shed DNA... on the shroud. Who is to tell whose DNA the researcher really found.
What this article is is the first of many you will see in the press during the lead up to Easter. You will also see rehashes of discredited theories, absurd TV "documentaries" such as a couple that propose that Leonard Da Vinci created the Shroud 101 years before he was born (or that he replaced the REAL "fake" Lirey shroud with his own, better "fake" Turin Shroud made by photography!) Someone will announce that they have PROVED the Shroud to be a fake because they have made one that "sorta looks like it" and the MSM will fall all over themselves publishing it. It happens every year.
We who DO know the latest research and scholarship about the Shroud of Turin, like Shroudie and myself, will spend a lot of time debunking the bunk.
The discussion on FR is often better than the original article, and this is a good example. Thanks, Swordmaker.
This statement seems somewhat comical, 'invisibly rewoven'. What does that mean? While I am a true believer and you obviously know more than the average individual about the Shroud, Could you please expand on this statement. That phrase gives me pause to doubt your conclusions.
So, I'm not sure they CAN clone Him but if they do, then I'd say, Yes it could turn out to be the anti-Christ. The problem is they'd only be cloning the BODY, not the Spirit. The question is whether the cloned body has a soul since it was not conceived in the usual way. If they have a body and it contains no soul, it would have no protection from being inhabited.
Thanks for that info.
I was waiting to see if that was going to be brought up. Or, for that matter, scientists could get the genetic material from the Holy Prepuce itself
Just exactly what it says. The Shroud was repaired in some damaged areas by a technique called "French Invisible Reweaving". This technique has been seen on other cloth from the 16th Century onward.
The repairer makes a linen thread (in this instance with some telltale Cotton fibers spun into it that do not exist in the original Shroud threads), dyes it to match as closely as possible the color of the original threads, and then very skillfully weaves the new threads into the old, intertwining the old threads with the new.
Photomicrographs of the C-14 text patch clearly show the differing threads... especially since the newer threads have an S twist while all of the original Shroud material is made with yarn with a Z twist (opposite twist). The newer threads have been shown to be chemically different from original threads as well (R. Rodgers, et al) utilizing a Madder Root dye (no dye on Shroud threads), a differing fullering method, and a different bleaching method.
Photographs taken in ultraviolet light show that the area in question where the sample was cut fluoresces differently than does the balance of the cloth (B. Schwarz, et al) indicating that something is different.
Analysis of the one surviving sub-sample from the five that were cut from the single sample for C-14 test shows that the side closest to the left selvege of the Shroud are of the newer material while the material on the side toward the body of the shroud is of the older material. The change-over occurs on a slight diagonal area/line that moves from the right at the bottom (foot end of the Shroud) toward the left edge... with the percentage of New material to Old corresponding to the inexplicable (till now) variation in the test samples ages reported from the three labs. The ages reported from four sub-samples cut from the same sample varied from 1260 (+/-25) to 1390 (+/-25) with the ages of NONE of the samples overlapping the degrees of confidence of any of the others... This should have been a red flag that something was wrong with the samples as all three labs should have been much closer if the sample were homogenous.
The threads are not the same, ergo the C-14 test patch is not the same as the rest of the shroud.
Shock....and awe....
Well, if complete, clonable DNA were found in the blood on the Shroud, after 2000 years...that WOULD a miracle, wouldn't it?
"Incorruption" is, I believe, the technical theological term for that sort of miracle.
So-called Space Aliens are simple apparitions of demons. The connection is simple and direct.
Jesus' twin brother Thomas was neither another Christ nor Antichrist. Cloning wouldn't get them any closer than that.
Twin brother?????
WTF??
That's what Thomas means BTW. His other, redundant, name was Didymous.
That's fine with me. Producing a complete clone twin wouldn't produce another Christ since the essence is not physical but spiritual.
WTF??
Don't tell me you think space aliens from Alpha Centauri are just dropping in for a visit after coming out of greater than light speed hyperspace bypasses.
Space aliens are a physical impossibility, at least in terms of appearing on earth, because of the vast distances of space.
The apparitions of aliens are either figments of people's imagination, or demonic.
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