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To: Tokra

"Do you honestly believe that someone can be as evil and cruel as possible for 75 years and then be "saved" in the last ten seconds of their life and still be treated the same as someone who led a life of self-sacrifice and doing for others? I still find that very hard to believe. If what you say is true, then what is the incentive to be good?"

Sure. Read: (II Chronicles 33:12) how God forgave King Manasseh, who had sacrificed his children to Satan, among all the other things he did leading Israel astray.

There's no sin so great that God won't forgive. But He does not honor lately-invented rites like masses and sacraments.
Those are human inventions that fly in the face of The Word Of God.

As for my judging, let me tell you what God has said "The spiritual man judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man".


85 posted on 03/09/2006 9:25:33 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: RoadTest
He does not honor lately-invented rites like masses and sacraments

I will admit that at mass, we no longer slaughter sheep and doves and kill the fatted calf. Scripturally one could argue that God appreciated those things and occasionally demanded them. Ah, for the good ol' days of traditional rituals. But mass (I assume you really mean, the Eucharist, or "communion") does reenact a very significant ritual that orginated as a Passover seder meal now known as "The Last Supper". Hence the use of unleavened wafers of bread such as the Jews prepared when running for their lives form Pharoah, and a reading of the scripture of the words of Christ as he shared it with His disciples.
91 posted on 03/09/2006 9:38:14 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: RoadTest
But He does not honor lately-invented rites like masses and sacraments. Those are human inventions that fly in the face of The Word Of God.

Human inventions? Did not John the Baptist and Jesus participate in the sacrament of Baptism?

Did not Jesus say, "Do this in memory of me?" - what do you think the Mass is? It is nothing more than following the instructions of Jesus when he said to "Do this in memory of me."

How do you figure that these two things are "lately-invented"? And how does following the scriptures to be Baptised and "do this in memory of me" "fly in the face of the Word of God"? They ARE the word of God!

Don't let your hatred of the Catholic Church cloud your judgement. You may be very surprised when (or if - God does not cotton to hatred and prejudice) you arrive at the gates of St. Peter!

100 posted on 03/09/2006 10:20:55 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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