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To: Mr. Mojo
"The question I posed in #19 was not whether the Vatican should offend the religious sentiments of the followers of other religions..."

Really?

Here's post #19:

"I see, so if Wiccans or Scientologists declare themselves a religion then they're a religion, no questions asked. ....and the Vatican's words would have to apply to them too."

I know that English is a second language to me; but I don't any sort of a question in your post, I see a statement.

"...the article made it made perfectly clear that the Vatican believes that no one has the right to offend the religious sentiments of followers of other religions, which as I pointed out in post #20 is a statement of sheer nonsense..."

Let's see your post #20:

"The right to publicly criticize religion is protected by the U.S. Constitution."

Let's now read the First Amendment (I think that's what you base your statement on):

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The U.S. Constitution forbids the Federal government from abridging your religious freedoms as well as your freedom of speech, I don' see where it forbids the Vatican from ITS freedom of speech regarding what it thinks about this subject.

You spin like a Democrat.

36 posted on 03/12/2006 10:09:35 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I know that English is a second language to me; but I don't any sort of a question in your post, I see a statement.

So why did you write this in post #29?: "So, my answer to the question you posted on #19, is still a resounding YES."

When I responded to your post #29 I took your word for it that I indeed asked a question. Obviously I shouldn't have trusted your reading abilities, as you shown time and time again.

The U.S. Constitution forbids the Federal government from abridging your religious freedoms as well as your freedom of speech, I don' see where it forbids the Vatican from ITS freedom of speech regarding what it thinks about this subject.

I doesn't, and I never said it did.

You spin like a Democrat.

You read like an idiot.

37 posted on 03/12/2006 12:43:53 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I don' see where it forbids the Vatican from ITS freedom of speech regarding what it thinks about this subject.

I realize understanding this might be tough for an ESL student, but I'll give it a go anyway. Here's the Vatican's statement:

1. The right to freedom of thought and expression ....cannot imply the right to offend the religious sentiment of believers. This principle applies obviously for any religion.

They're talking about the right to offend the religious sentiments of believers, and they don't believe that right exists. I maintain that it does, as the First Amendment confirms. I said absolutely nothing about the Vatican not having a right so say whatever it wants.

Now hit those books, kid.

38 posted on 03/12/2006 12:53:28 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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