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Pierce Bush: Here are two reforms [Catholic Church "rather Talibanesque"]
Dallas News ^ | Saturday, April 23, 2005 | Pierce Bush

Posted on 03/11/2006 4:34:14 AM PST by Diago

Here are two reforms

With the election of Pope Benedict XVI, Christians around the world will most likely not be able to look forward to needed reforms within the Catholic Church. There are two major areas of reform that are needed to accommodate our progressive world society.

The first change regards the treatment of women. In a religion that preaches equality among all people, the Catholic Church is locked into a stone-age mentality by not allowing women to be ordained as priests. Frankly, it is rather Talibanesque.

The other area of needed reform deals with allowing priests to marry. A lot of people naively think that celibacy is a tradition that has existed forever. In reality, priests once were allowed to marry, and this was changed during the Middle Ages.

I wish Pope Benedict XVI the best, as I am sure that he will be a wise leader, and I hope he will strive for equality. I also hope these simple reforms I suggest will be made in my lifetime.

Pierce Bush, Houston

[Pierce Bush is the president's nephew]


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1 posted on 03/11/2006 4:34:17 AM PST by Diago
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To: Diago

Two excellant points.

and historically accurate. does anyone know why celibacy of priests came about?


2 posted on 03/11/2006 4:36:50 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Google would sell out America to the highest bidder!)
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To: Diago

Pierce is the teen-age, learning disabled son of Neil Bush?


3 posted on 03/11/2006 4:41:14 AM PST by lonestar (Me, too--Weinie)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Here ya go:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm


4 posted on 03/11/2006 4:42:01 AM PST by Diago (http://www.margaretsanger.blogspot.com)
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To: lonestar

"Pierce is the teen-age, learning disabled son of Neil Bush?"

I'm not sure but the fact that he goes to Georgetown explains a lot:



http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/02/gop.bushs.lkl.access/

PIERCE BUSH, GEORGE W. BUSH'S NEPHEW: I'm feeling great. It's really exciting to be here at the Republican convention. Just started out at a great school, Georgetown University. Very excited about that.


5 posted on 03/11/2006 4:47:51 AM PST by Diago (http://www.margaretsanger.blogspot.com)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

There is no theology behind the celebacy discipline. The RC church already has lots of married priests. The Eastern Rite allows it and many married, converted Episcopal and Lutheran clergy take Holy Orders and remain married.


6 posted on 03/11/2006 4:57:16 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Diago

Thanks.


7 posted on 03/11/2006 5:35:54 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Google would sell out America to the highest bidder!)
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To: Diago

Dear Pierce Bush:

Go to hell.

I'm sure you're already headed there, given your own lack of understanding of the True Church. For now, though, stay out of the business of my Church, boy.

Alan
San Antonio


8 posted on 03/11/2006 5:41:52 AM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: Coleus; Salvation; NYer
In a religion that preaches equality among all people, the Catholic Church is locked into a stone-age mentality by not allowing women to be ordained as priests. Frankly, it is rather Talibanesque.

It is kind of interesting that the President's nephew wrote this nearly a year ago and a google search shows that there was absolutely no reaction in the press.

The kid is not even Catholic. Imagine if he had weighed in suggesting that Jews should be able to ham. What kind of reaction would have ensued?

9 posted on 03/11/2006 5:42:30 AM PST by Diago (http://www.margaretsanger.blogspot.com)
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To: AlaninSA
I'm sure you're already headed there, given your own lack of understanding of the True Church.

I saw this kid on TV this morning. He has the Bush curse of a tied tongue, but unlike most of the other Bushes, he is of below average intelligence and has no class.

At first I thought it odd that a blue blood Protestant would even bother to weigh in on such a thing.

But then I read that he was attending Georgetown and quickly figured out where he had learned to hate the Church.

10 posted on 03/11/2006 5:52:23 AM PST by Diago (http://www.margaretsanger.blogspot.com)
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To: Diago

"Should liberals leave the Catholic Church?" -- and I reiterate, YES. Please!!


11 posted on 03/11/2006 6:04:05 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Diago
L Love the not ordaining of wimmins being characterized as "stone-age". You know, the stone age, like, y'know, the 1950's. I bet he calls his parents "fossils" too.

Maybe he meant "Stoned age"?

12 posted on 03/11/2006 6:07:31 AM PST by Mad Dawg (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did not prepare properly.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; muir_redwoods
and historically accurate. does anyone know why celibacy of priests came about?

No, historically inaccurate. Priests have never at any time in any part of the Church been allowed to marry after ordination.

IN THE PAST, men already married were allowed to be ordained provided that they took up celibacy, and often with the requirement that they seperate from their wives, with her entering a convent.

The celibacy of Priests is a tradition of Apostolic Origin reflecting the Christian teaching that it is good to marry, but even more excellent to remain or become henceforth perpetually chaste (1 Corinthians 7.1, 7-8, 34), and the statement of Jesus Christ to His Apostles that those who gave up having a wife for the sake of the kingdom would receive a 100-fold reward in heaven (St. Matthew 19.10-12, 27-29).

At the dawn of the era of the Church coming out of the catacombs around AD 300, the very first Canon Laws prescribed perpetual celibacy for the Priests of the Church, a ruling that was endlessly repeated over the next 150 years by Popes and Councils.

The change in the Middle Ages was not to introduce celibacy as some new requirement, but to forbid the ordination from then on of any men who was still married, regardless of any pledge of celibacy they wished to make.

13 posted on 03/11/2006 6:19:00 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Diago

Sorta makes you feel bad for his elder relatives.


14 posted on 03/11/2006 6:21:31 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

friendly amendment: "provided they took up continence" (sexual abstinence within marriage) rather than "took up celibacy" (a married man cannot be celibate, since celibate = not married, but he can be continent, abstinent).


15 posted on 03/11/2006 6:35:00 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: Diago
"But then I read that he was attending Georgetown and quickly figured out where he had learned to hate the Church."

Poor guy. Too bad he didn't go to a Catholic school.

I would also like to congratulate all of you for not making jokes about his name. It's v-e-r-y tempting isn't it?

16 posted on 03/11/2006 6:35:09 AM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
The Catholic Church does regard men and women as EQUAL in value in God's eyes. But they are equitable in role and plan, that is, each has a particular role in God's plan.
This is not a SMALL thing. It reverberates throughout the Old and New Testament.
Thus, women do not become priests. That is a male role. That also is Old Testament. The Jewish priests were men. Once the priesthood disappeared with the destruction of their Temple, the rabbinical role became paramount -- and they were still all men.
Christians simply followed the Jewish tradition.
Orthodox Judaism still has no women rabbis.
[There are no Hindu women priests either. They go one step farther and say that, besides being men, all priests must come from the Brahmin caste. And they do. None of this holds true for gurus--which are simply teachers.]

The celibacy of priests is a very convoluted and non-simple story. I think the crux (simplified version) is that when men happened to be married, they could become priests. If they were single and became priests, then they didn't marry.

17 posted on 03/11/2006 7:41:30 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: Diago

Good link. Thanks for posting it.


18 posted on 03/11/2006 7:45:53 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: starfish923

there are those who would argue that Jesus was radical in his approach to women in the culture that was Old testament culture. Therefore he was advocating a much more egaltarian role for women. He allowed women to listen to him along with the men, etc.


19 posted on 03/11/2006 7:49:33 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Google would sell out America to the highest bidder!)
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To: Diago
The first change regards the treatment of women. In a religion that preaches equality among all people, the Catholic Church is locked into a stone-age mentality by not allowing women to be ordained as priests. Frankly, it is rather Talibanesque.

The other area of needed reform deals with allowing priests to marry. A lot of people naively think that celibacy is a tradition that has existed forever. In reality, priests once were allowed to marry, and this was changed during the Middle Ages.

Wow, what deep, well thought out points, with lots of evidence to back him up and make his point.

Just kidding, what a silly editorial.
20 posted on 03/11/2006 8:08:35 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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