Communion "Host" in Dallas Church Grew Fungi, Bacteria Naturally

Texas Catholic ^ | 3-24-06 | Marty Perry

[PetroniusMaximus]

"I don't have the time to give a whole catechism class..."

Consider this...

"...if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.

For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." - Rom 10


Seems like a fairly simple set of requirements for salvation.

[Petronski]

Why did people come from hundreds of miles away to worship a moldy piece of vomit?

That's another completely incharitable description. No one came to worship a moldy piece of vomit. Didn't happen. They came because they thought they might witness a miracle.

[irishtenor]

Are you honestly telling me that my belief in Christ the Saviour is not enough? No class needed, just say yes or no.

[P-Marlowe]

That's the point: he looked merely like a man, yet he was both man and God.

Unless you are willing to admit that the wafer is both wheat and flesh at the same time, then your analogy is false. But you claim that the substance is changed entirely, so it is not both wheat and flesh. It is only flesh, is it not?

[murphE]

Where is this Host now?

In Lanciano, Italy.

The "Miracle" was first reserved in a chapel situated at the side of the main altar. Then, from 1636 it was reserved in a side-altar of the nave wich still contains the old iron chest and the commemorative inscription. In 1902 it was transferred into the present monumental marble altar which the people of Lanciano had erected.

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[SoothingDave]

Now, do you understand that accidents and substance are two different things?

I understand it.

Then you will join me in instructing Mr. Murphy that his post 13 was erroneous. That this incident does not prove that "transubstantiation didn't take place."

Won't you?

If you understand intellectually the idea, you must assert that no lab test or human sense can prove or disprove transubstantiation. Do you see this? Will you affirm it is so?

(Note: affirming what an idea's conclusions must logically be, is not the same thing as saying you accept the idea as true.)

SD

[P-Marlowe]

That's another completely incharitable description. No one came to worship a moldy piece of vomit.

I was told on this thread that Catholics actually worship the wafer. So when they come to see a wafer that has been vomited up, what are they coming to do? Merely look at it, or worship it?

[murphE]

Are you honestly telling me that my belief in Christ the Saviour is not enough? No class needed, just say yes or no.

I have no idea what you mean by "your belief in Christ the Savior". A lot of people use those very same words and mean very different things, and yes it matters.You can't just pick the parts of Divine revelation that appeal to you and reject others, it's an all or nothing deal.

[Petronski]

You have already referred in this thread to the correct answer as "voodoo." Given your prediliction to mock my faith in this way, I can't help you. I did provide a link upthread where you could learn all you wanted about transubstantiation, but I don't think you're hear to learn.

I think you're here to sneer and mock.

[SoothingDave]

For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." - Rom 10

Seems like a fairly simple set of requirements for salvation.

Consider:

1 John 2: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

A mere profession of faith is not enough. We must keep His commandments and walk in Him.

SD

[Rhadaghast]

I know I am saved, past tense, because the sacrifice was complete. Complete needing nothing for me to do but believe. Romans 10:10.

I am just concerned that you are still worshiping man made things, and listening to a church that continually contradicts itself. Please read the counsel of Trent. Their use of the word anathema is current and continual. It is a statement of their arrogance condemning of all believers that do not adhere to the RCC.

Just becuase the current church attempts to spin this does not mean it was rescinded.

My salvation is not in question. Yours, by the admission of yourself, and your roman catholic church, is.

You do not possess salvation.

Thanks for the discussion, and your willingness to continue to reach out to me. But please look at your surroundings. You are reaching up for us to pick you up into the knowledge of your inheritance in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

I am the righteousness of God! God said it I didn't.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I am no longer condemned! Jesus is my judge, and he does not condemn me.
Romans 8:1: There is therefore NOW no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.

Reach up and take this hand up from Christ's representative on earth. We who are Christians, saved and being sanctified.

[wmfights]

"In 1902 it was transferred into the present monumental marble altar which the people of Lanciano had erected."
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I am assuming that because they have built an altar for it the good people of Lanciano come and pray to it.

Has the Pope come and bowed down to it?

Do all the Popes come and bow down to it?

Will there be any consequences for bowing down to it and praying to it if it is not JESUS CHRIST?
What about the excess Host that Roman Catholic's come and pray to now? If it isn't transubstantiated they are praying to bread. Isn't this idolatry?

[Petronski]

Merely look at it, or worship it?

Spare me your false dichotomies. They came to see if they might witness a miracle.

[HarleyD]

An interesting poem: A Tale of the Eucharist

[Petronski]

Yours, by the admission of yourself, and your roman catholic church, is.

Your contempt is so intense, you cannot spare the thinnest reed of common decency by capitalizing a proper noun: Roman Catholic Church.

[irishtenor]

Let's just say... the Apostles Creed says what I believe. Is this enough?

[Petronski]

What's next? A few quaint limericks by Jack Chick?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. But you're not.

[murphE]

Unless you are willing to admit that the wafer is both wheat and flesh at the same time, then your analogy is false. But you claim that the substance is changed entirely, so it is not both wheat and flesh. It is only flesh, is it not?

Ya see, if you would just look up what transubstantiation means...[sigh] I guess I have to do it. I found a readable explanation HERE

"Transubstantiation means the substance part of the bread and wine elements changes; but the accidental parts--sight, taste, smell, touch--do not. Catholics believe that since Jesus said it and He is God, he can do it. They believe! "Transubstantiation" merely labels it"

[Petronski]

All this time the correct spelling is "predilection" and I had no clue. That's as bad as when I assigned a nearly-opposite sense to the word "simpering." Oh well.

[murphE]

Let's just say... the Apostles Creed says what I believe. Is this enough?

Oh I wish. Many people say the Apostles' Creed and hold very different beliefs as to what the words they are saying mean. I am a Roman Catholic, and the Apostles' Creed says what I believe too, and yet we do not hold the same beliefs. Go figure.