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Communion "Host" in Dallas Church Grew Fungi, Bacteria Naturally
Texas Catholic ^ | 3-24-06 | Marty Perry

Posted on 03/24/2006 6:06:40 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy
***What's more astonishing is the people who immediately flocked to the church to see mold growing, thinking it's a miracle.***

I have it on good authority one of the lesser known sayings is "I'm Toast."


61 posted on 03/24/2006 9:56:06 AM PST by Gamecock (I’m so thankful for the active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. (Machen on his deathbed.)
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To: P-Marlowe
It tastes like bread. That's because it is bread.

Oh that's just genius!

Our Lord looked just like a man, yet...

62 posted on 03/24/2006 9:56:57 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: SoothingDave; irishtenor; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD
Transubstantiation can not be proven or disproven by any test on the elements themselves.

Then why do Catholics tend to flock to these so-called eucharist miracles? Why do so many Catholics stand in awe when there is any report of the bread actually turning into human flesh or the wine actually turning into blood?

In this case people came from all over Texas to bow before and worship a chunk of vomit. There's something really sick about that.

63 posted on 03/24/2006 9:57:01 AM PST by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: SoothingDave; P-Marlowe
***Bzzt! Wrong answer. Transubstantiation can not be proven or disproven by any test on the elements themselves. This includes senses or scientific insturments (which are but extensions of our senses).***

Sounds like the Mormon response to the DNA evidence.
64 posted on 03/24/2006 9:58:16 AM PST by Gamecock (I’m so thankful for the active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. (Machen on his deathbed.)
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To: P-Marlowe

You're going to toast in heck for that :>)


65 posted on 03/24/2006 9:59:50 AM PST by irishtenor (At 270 pounds, I am twice the bike rider Lance is. Strike that, now at 266 and counting.)
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To: Gamecock
Here's one for you:

Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D.

66 posted on 03/24/2006 9:59:50 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: P-Marlowe

No one is asking you to believe Catholic teaching if you do not want to believe it. But at least understand it and portray it accurately.

http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_112.htm


67 posted on 03/24/2006 10:00:50 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: murphE
Our Lord looked just like a man, yet...

... HE WAS A MAN! Or don't you believe in the incarnation?

There was no "transubstantiation" of the Lord's body. He did not simply appear to be flesh, but The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. He did not have the accidents and appearances of being a man. He was a man. Our salvation is dependent upon that fact. The gnostics believed that he only had the accidents and appearances of being a man. Are you a gnostic?

68 posted on 03/24/2006 10:02:32 AM PST by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: murphE

Which heretical beliefs? I believe in Jesus Christ as my savior. What other beliefs will cancel that?


69 posted on 03/24/2006 10:03:22 AM PST by irishtenor (At 270 pounds, I am twice the bike rider Lance is. Strike that, now at 266 and counting.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Transubstantiation can not be proven or disproven by any test on the elements themselves.

Then why do Catholics tend to flock to these so-called eucharist miracles?

I come to these threads to attempt to educate the seemingly willfully ignorant.

If all y'all would just stop saying ignorant things like "well, this disproves transubstantiation" I wouldn't have to be here.

To sum up: I don't care if you reject Catholic teaching. You have a free will. I do care if you reject something you don't understand, because you think you do understand it.

SD

70 posted on 03/24/2006 10:05:06 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
I come to these threads to attempt to educate the seemingly willfully ignorant.

Why did people come from hundreds of miles away to worship a moldy piece of vomit? Educate me.

71 posted on 03/24/2006 10:07:48 AM PST by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe
HE WAS A MAN! Or don't you believe in the incarnation?

Duh. That's the point. All appearances were of Him being only a man. But faith leads us to believe He was a man and God.

Let's turn your earlier argument around. You can believe what appears to be a man is God Incarnate. You can believe what appears to be an ancient earth formed through eons of matter expanding from a singularity in space-time with fossils of animals which appear to be millions of years old are in fact the result of 6 literal days of creation.

But you can't believe what looks like bread is in fact flesh?

SD

72 posted on 03/24/2006 10:08:42 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: P-Marlowe
Then why do Catholics tend to flock to these so-called eucharist miracles? Why do so many Catholics stand in awe when there is any report of the bread actually turning into human flesh or the wine actually turning into blood?

Because there are some Catholics who are silly people who chase all reported apparitions and miracles. The appropriate Catholic response is to be suspect of all of these types of reports (after all the devil can mimic miracles, as well men just committing frauds for personal gain) until they have been thoroughly investigated, and even then no Catholic is bound under pain of sin to believe them.

Surely you must know a few silly Protestants?

The properly formed Catholic knows that a miracle occurs every time that the Holy Mass is offered. Deo Gratias!

73 posted on 03/24/2006 10:08:50 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: P-Marlowe
Why did people come from hundreds of miles away to worship a moldy piece of vomit? Educate me.

i'm more interested in educating you about what the Church teaches about Transubstantiation. Once you've mastered that, we'll move on.

Now, do you understand that accidents and substance are two different things? And that senses and scientific tests can only test the accidents?

SD

74 posted on 03/24/2006 10:10:23 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: irishtenor
Which heretical beliefs? I believe in Jesus Christ as my savior. What other beliefs will cancel that?

I don't have the time to give a whole catechism class, but you can start here:

The Catechism of Trent or here The Baltimore Catechism if you are serious. Or go find a good tradition Roman Catholic priest, freepmail me if you need help finding one.

75 posted on 03/24/2006 10:15:01 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

ping

(listening in)


76 posted on 03/24/2006 10:16:22 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: P-Marlowe
... HE WAS A MAN!

Yes of course, but he was also God. That's the point: he looked merely like a man, yet he was both man and God.

77 posted on 03/24/2006 10:18:35 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: murphE
"Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D."
________________________________

Where is this Host now?
78 posted on 03/24/2006 10:18:44 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
(listening in)

I'm glad. =D

79 posted on 03/24/2006 10:18:53 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: SoothingDave; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; PetroniusMaximus; irishtenor
Now, do you understand that accidents and substance are two different things?

I understand it. It is a gnostic teaching. It is, in fact... voodoo.

80 posted on 03/24/2006 10:19:02 AM PST by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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