I have it on good authority one of the lesser known sayings is "I'm Toast."
Posted on 03/24/2006 6:06:40 AM PST by marshmallow
DALLAS. A “host” kept in a jar of water for four weeks grew fungus and bacterial colonies in a natural process, a laboratory report concluded about an incident in a local parish church that created public speculation.
A March 23 letter from Dallas Bishop Charles Grahmann to the pastor of St. James Parish relayed that what some were calling a ‘miracle’ of a host “contains nothing of a supernatural nature.”
The letter to Msgr. Mario Magbanua states: “At my request the object you submitted to me, around which there was heightened publicity, was presented to Dr. Marcy Brown Marsden, chairman and associate professor of biology, University of Dallas, and Dr. Frank Doe of the same department, for tentative identification and characterization of the object.”
The bishop said that after analysis was done he was provided with their conclusion.
They told the bishop: “We conclude that the object is a combination of fungal mycelia and bacterial colonies that have been incubated within the aquatic environment of the glass during the four-week period in which it was stored in the open air.”
The bishop further wrote: ““From this conclusion the phenomenon was of the natural order and contains nothing of a supernatural nature. Thus, you need to remove yourself from any further activity surrounding this matter and its exaggerated claims.”
The incident began about a month ago when a young boy received the Eucharist at Mass and then became sick in the restroom. Ushers who checked on him found the intact host in the bin.
The ushers reportedly summoned Msgr. Magbanua, who came to retrieve the host. He put the host in water to dissolve, where it remained unseen until March 19. Its appearance had changed, viewers said.
Within hours people were coming to the church to see the host, which is located in a low-income area and has approximately 2,000 registered parishioners.
Fueled by telephone and e-mail stories saying a miracle had occurred, as well as media reports, curious scores of the faithful hoping to see something extraordinary began to show up.
Among those was Shirley Vilfordi, a member of St. Rita Parish in Dallas. She was among those who suggested people should not be too quick to rush to conclusions, and thanked those who took quick action to discover the truth.
“We praise God for our beloved church who wants to investigate these things thoroughly rather than falsely mislead the faithful,” Vilfordi said as the investigation was ongoing.
There have been other cases in past years when a host received fungal and/or bacteria contamination when it was not properly consumed and/or disposed.
Church officials said the matter is now closed and called on faithful to end any further speculation.
I have it on good authority one of the lesser known sayings is "I'm Toast."
Oh that's just genius!
Our Lord looked just like a man, yet...
Then why do Catholics tend to flock to these so-called eucharist miracles? Why do so many Catholics stand in awe when there is any report of the bread actually turning into human flesh or the wine actually turning into blood?
In this case people came from all over Texas to bow before and worship a chunk of vomit. There's something really sick about that.
You're going to toast in heck for that :>)
No one is asking you to believe Catholic teaching if you do not want to believe it. But at least understand it and portray it accurately.
http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_112.htm
... HE WAS A MAN! Or don't you believe in the incarnation?
There was no "transubstantiation" of the Lord's body. He did not simply appear to be flesh, but The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. He did not have the accidents and appearances of being a man. He was a man. Our salvation is dependent upon that fact. The gnostics believed that he only had the accidents and appearances of being a man. Are you a gnostic?
Which heretical beliefs? I believe in Jesus Christ as my savior. What other beliefs will cancel that?
Then why do Catholics tend to flock to these so-called eucharist miracles?
I come to these threads to attempt to educate the seemingly willfully ignorant.
If all y'all would just stop saying ignorant things like "well, this disproves transubstantiation" I wouldn't have to be here.
To sum up: I don't care if you reject Catholic teaching. You have a free will. I do care if you reject something you don't understand, because you think you do understand it.
SD
Why did people come from hundreds of miles away to worship a moldy piece of vomit? Educate me.
Duh. That's the point. All appearances were of Him being only a man. But faith leads us to believe He was a man and God.
Let's turn your earlier argument around. You can believe what appears to be a man is God Incarnate. You can believe what appears to be an ancient earth formed through eons of matter expanding from a singularity in space-time with fossils of animals which appear to be millions of years old are in fact the result of 6 literal days of creation.
But you can't believe what looks like bread is in fact flesh?
SD
Because there are some Catholics who are silly people who chase all reported apparitions and miracles. The appropriate Catholic response is to be suspect of all of these types of reports (after all the devil can mimic miracles, as well men just committing frauds for personal gain) until they have been thoroughly investigated, and even then no Catholic is bound under pain of sin to believe them.
Surely you must know a few silly Protestants?
The properly formed Catholic knows that a miracle occurs every time that the Holy Mass is offered. Deo Gratias!
i'm more interested in educating you about what the Church teaches about Transubstantiation. Once you've mastered that, we'll move on.
Now, do you understand that accidents and substance are two different things? And that senses and scientific tests can only test the accidents?
SD
I don't have the time to give a whole catechism class, but you can start here:
The Catechism of Trent or here The Baltimore Catechism if you are serious. Or go find a good tradition Roman Catholic priest, freepmail me if you need help finding one.
ping
(listening in)
Yes of course, but he was also God. That's the point: he looked merely like a man, yet he was both man and God.
I'm glad. =D
I understand it. It is a gnostic teaching. It is, in fact... voodoo.
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