Now I'll have this guy on my mind all day.
Posted on 04/09/2006 3:02:39 PM PDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
The reading of the Torah ended, and Cantor Charles D. Osborne led the congregation at Temple Emanuel in Newton in a poignant prayer for renewal.
It was time for the sermon.
Rabbi Michelle Robinson rose and delivered the most stirring sermon of her young career -- an impassioned demand that the Conservative movement in Judaism sanction same-sex unions and other Jewish rituals for gays and lesbians. If movement leaders, who are in the midst of a deep debate over these issues, disagree, Emanuel, one of the wealthiest and most influential Conservative synagogues in New England, should sanctify such unions anyway, she said.
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Now I'll have this guy on my mind all day.
That's what I was thinking too.
"Chasm over gays deepens"
That headline is just wrong. And to think I was going to enjoy a nice dinner.
(Same as ever)
The men dishonor theirselves and the wife of the covenant.
The women dishonor the Lord.
Mal 2:14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
Mal 2:15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
Mal 2:16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
How conservative can this group be if they have a female rabbi?
Not to nitpick, but Richard Simmons is not Jewish, but Gene Simmons is.
The gay marriage stuff, however, is different. I think even Jacob Schmiddlapp (one of the early Jewish leaders who literally paid for it's creation in America) would think Reform Judaism was totally out of its mind buying into gay marriage, and definitely he'd suspect the "Conservative" and any "Orthodox" had stepped right off the planet for getting into that sort of thing.
For a religious group that's into practicing the most ancient feast-day ceremony known to humanity, it's really amazing how easily so many have lost their knowledge of the true Jewish position on homosexual behavior.
Michelle, go start your own freaking religion and leave the Torah alone, m'kay?
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The Torah really couldn't be more clear on the issue.
I'm so thrilled that I no longer have to live by the law of Moses, or of G D, and circumcision hurts. Oh oh too late for that.
News bulletin for the day: any faith that embraces the sodomites dies.
Clarity is irrelevant to those who would deny Truth.
If you read the entire story, you'll see that the former DNC national chairman is mentioned as one of the heavyweights of the congregation. Just wondering if the Rabbi(ness) is more interested in promoting the Democrat agenda than the Jewish one.
Its my denomination.
Though, you're right. These days, it a bit of a misnomer. It's supposed to be the bridge between Reform and Orthodox; combining traditional beliefs with normal life (as Reform tried to do; it was a counter movement to Reform, a happy middle, so to speak). These days, though, the Modern Orthodox denomination does it best. And the Conservative denomination is just becoming Reform with kippot.
Its the name of the denomination.
Reform, Conservative, Modern Orthodox, Orthodox (including both Haredim and Hasidim) and Reconstructionist.
Reform basically ignores everything, Reconstructionists pick and choose (Ooooh! Religious heritage buffet!), Conservatives are supposed to be between Orthodox and Reform but end up just being Reform these days.
They kind of dropped a lot of the heritage and the doctrine for a more politically correct, socially conscious, whatever you're calling it these days structure.
Which is why I'm considering switching denominations.
Of course not.
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Fine. Yes, it was sarcasm.
Yes...but the question is...
Will Rabbi Michelle rock and roll every night? And party every day?
I've been to a couple Conservative services. One was very much into political correctness (IIRC, even the prayer book made a point of being "gender neutral" or something?), while at the other, in Key West, the Rabbi was openly critical of President Clinton during the sermon, which was pleasant.
My understanding is that the Conservative movement was started by people who, in an effort to return to at least some tradition, broke away from Reform Judaism. However, they were not prepared to return to what is now referred to as Orthodox.
"My understanding is that the Conservative movement was started by people who, in an effort to return to at least some tradition, broke away from Reform Judaism. However, they were not prepared to return to what is now referred to as Orthodox"
That's precisely what it's about. The problem is, these days it's drifting back towards Reform and has ceased being distinct. Its role has been usurped or replaced by the Modern Orthodox movement.
I belonged to a Reform temple for many years before it dawned on me what the denomination had become. Now I don't go to any of them, not being religious enough to join an Orthodox temple, and having the idea that Conservative is fairly close to Reform in many ways.
I may have rejoined our old Reform temple since I used to enjoy sparring with the Rabbi about the leftism of Reform Judaism, but he passed away, and it all seems kind of pointless now.
Planning a Seder with my wife though, tonight.
But Richard Simmons' mom is Jewish.
So, he's got the street cred to be called a Jew.
As for Gene Simmons...
I stand corrected on Richard Simmons,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Simmons
however, I am correct on Gene Simmons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish-American_singers
Orthodox?
They can't be..
Sort of reminds me of what happened to Judaism before the Babylonian Captivity.
As far as I am concerned, the Orthodox Jews are the only real Jews. They alone have not watered things down, and they alone seem to recognize that the Torah, Ta'nach, Kethuvim and Psalms were from God.
Some redundancy there.
TORAH = Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy
TANACH = Torah + PROPHETS + Ketuvim ("writings")
Psalms = included in the Ketuvim
I think the quote is the correct approach. We should not allow tradition to prevent new interpretations. Interpretation is what Judaism is about. Orthodox Jews practice Rabbinic Judaism, which is very much about interpretation of Torah law. Interpretation, debate is the Jewish way. But this has more to do with the practice, rather than the law itself. To twist the interpretative nature of the practice into "new interpretations" of law is another matter.
Some things are very clear and unambiguous and not subject to interpretation. Would the Rabbi suggest we should interpret the Second Commandment that it's OK to believe in other gods so long as we put The Lord above the others? Nonsense.
Um . . . the only "Orthodox temple" is the one in Jerusalem--destroyed twice, and to be rebuilt soon and never destroyed again.
Only "Reform" calls its synagogues "temples" and does so explicitly to claim that they have superceded the Jerusalem Temple, which they say is primitive and outdated. "Reform Judaism" is thus every bit as supercessionist as classical chr*stianity.
Danke.
Fair enough, I will not argue those points. Thanks.
These people shpuld start their own institutions. They could call it "Congregation B'Nai Korach".
If I remember correctly, the sons of Qorach were pious and honorable. The Torah notes "uvenei-Qorach lo' meitu."
Korach himself was not. Perhaps "Congregation Anshe Korach" or "Congregation Avodah Zarah"..
Have a happy and kosher Pesach!
She is into promoting herself. They sanction gay rabbis, etc., I'm gone. Then they don't understand why more conservative people are leaving or even converting to other religions. I can imagine what this broad says about partial birth abortion - probably thinks it's just lovely.
I enjoy the Conservative service. Women don't read from the Torah but they can read other prayers. Has a lot of Hebrew but some English.
Thanks, Julie, for that reply. I've liked the Conservative services for the most part that I've been to, but the high point was the one in Key West, where the rabbi excoriated Bill Clinton during his sermon.
Sadly, since then, arsonists recently burned the Key West synaguoge to the ground, the meeting place of a congregation over one hundred years old, one of America's oldest Jewish communities.
I'll have to ask my old buddy, who belongs there, if they ever found the perpetrators.
From the original fifteen ;)
This is a terrible desecration. My own rabbi said to me that if the Conservative movement allows gay rabbis, he will become Orthodox. True conservative Judaism and orthodoxy are very, very similar.
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