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Chasm over gays deepens among Conservative Jews
The Boston Globe ^ | April 9, 2006 | Charles A. Radin

Posted on 04/09/2006 3:02:39 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

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To: justiceseeker93

Of course not.

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What are you still looking at me for?




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Fine. Yes, it was sarcasm.


21 posted on 04/09/2006 6:27:04 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: LA Conservative

Yes...but the question is...


Will Rabbi Michelle rock and roll every night? And party every day?


22 posted on 04/09/2006 6:28:27 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

I've been to a couple Conservative services. One was very much into political correctness (IIRC, even the prayer book made a point of being "gender neutral" or something?), while at the other, in Key West, the Rabbi was openly critical of President Clinton during the sermon, which was pleasant.

My understanding is that the Conservative movement was started by people who, in an effort to return to at least some tradition, broke away from Reform Judaism. However, they were not prepared to return to what is now referred to as Orthodox.


23 posted on 04/09/2006 6:42:00 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: Sam Cree

"My understanding is that the Conservative movement was started by people who, in an effort to return to at least some tradition, broke away from Reform Judaism. However, they were not prepared to return to what is now referred to as Orthodox"

That's precisely what it's about. The problem is, these days it's drifting back towards Reform and has ceased being distinct. Its role has been usurped or replaced by the Modern Orthodox movement.


24 posted on 04/09/2006 7:35:52 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

I belonged to a Reform temple for many years before it dawned on me what the denomination had become. Now I don't go to any of them, not being religious enough to join an Orthodox temple, and having the idea that Conservative is fairly close to Reform in many ways.

I may have rejoined our old Reform temple since I used to enjoy sparring with the Rabbi about the leftism of Reform Judaism, but he passed away, and it all seems kind of pointless now.

Planning a Seder with my wife though, tonight.


25 posted on 04/09/2006 7:42:59 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: LA Conservative
No, not to nitpick indeed.

But Richard Simmons' mom is Jewish.

So, he's got the street cred to be called a Jew.

As for Gene Simmons...

Seventh Day Adventist.
Lapsed, I'm told.

26 posted on 04/09/2006 8:12:42 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites

I stand corrected on Richard Simmons,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Simmons

however, I am correct on Gene Simmons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish-American_singers


27 posted on 04/09/2006 10:05:03 PM PDT by LA Conservative (Liberalism is now a secular cult of Leftism)
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To: Alexander Rubin
Which is why I'm considering switching denominations.

Orthodox?

28 posted on 04/09/2006 11:35:11 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Lewite; MassRepublicanFlyersFan; Alexander Rubin
Oh well I know of groups who have cut down the number of Commandments from ten to nine to even to zero.


29 posted on 04/09/2006 11:39:18 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

They can't be..


30 posted on 04/10/2006 12:05:15 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Sort of reminds me of what happened to Judaism before the Babylonian Captivity.

As far as I am concerned, the Orthodox Jews are the only real Jews. They alone have not watered things down, and they alone seem to recognize that the Torah, Ta'nach, Kethuvim and Psalms were from God.


31 posted on 04/10/2006 7:15:55 AM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: Alouette; NYer; Alexander Rubin
".[W]e must not allow the weight of tradition to stop us from supporting new textual interpretations"

Shoot, that statement could have been made by an number of "contemporary" "christian" "scholars", "pastors", "ministers", "priests", "religious", etc., etc., etc. The ECUSA, where I came from, said stuff like this so often it became a mantra. I wish all these "enlightened" "liberals" would depart and go form their own silly groups somewhere and leave the rest of us alone. But no....these heathens have to keep mucking around and muddying Scripture; like bad children, they just have to go out and play in the mud in their good clothes. Sometimes I wish a great big hickory switch would come down from Heaven and smite the whole lot of them across their cabooses!
32 posted on 04/10/2006 7:19:26 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (aztlan or muslim - either way it means dhimmitude...we must remember in November)
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To: pravknight
Torah, Ta'nach, Kethuvim and Psalms

Some redundancy there.

TORAH = Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy

TANACH = Torah + PROPHETS + Ketuvim ("writings")

Psalms = included in the Ketuvim

33 posted on 04/10/2006 7:43:20 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 66-68)
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To: Lewite

I think the quote is the correct approach. We should not allow tradition to prevent new interpretations. Interpretation is what Judaism is about. Orthodox Jews practice Rabbinic Judaism, which is very much about interpretation of Torah law. Interpretation, debate is the Jewish way. But this has more to do with the practice, rather than the law itself. To twist the interpretative nature of the practice into "new interpretations" of law is another matter.

Some things are very clear and unambiguous and not subject to interpretation. Would the Rabbi suggest we should interpret the Second Commandment that it's OK to believe in other gods so long as we put The Lord above the others? Nonsense.


34 posted on 04/10/2006 9:00:50 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Sam Cree
Now I don't go to any of them, not being religious enough to join an Orthodox temple

Um . . . the only "Orthodox temple" is the one in Jerusalem--destroyed twice, and to be rebuilt soon and never destroyed again.

Only "Reform" calls its synagogues "temples" and does so explicitly to claim that they have superceded the Jerusalem Temple, which they say is primitive and outdated. "Reform Judaism" is thus every bit as supercessionist as classical chr*stianity.

35 posted on 04/10/2006 9:12:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Bekhol dor vador `omedim `aleynu lekhalloteynu, veHaQadosh Barukh Hu' matzileinu miyyadam!)
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To: Alouette

Danke.


36 posted on 04/10/2006 9:41:42 AM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Fair enough, I will not argue those points. Thanks.


37 posted on 04/10/2006 9:46:46 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: pravknight

These people shpuld start their own institutions. They could call it "Congregation B'Nai Korach".


38 posted on 04/10/2006 10:12:15 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sheik yerbouty
These people shpuld start their own institutions. They could call it "Congregation B'Nai Korach".

If I remember correctly, the sons of Qorach were pious and honorable. The Torah notes "uvenei-Qorach lo' meitu."

39 posted on 04/10/2006 1:13:46 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Bekhol dor vador `omedim `aleynu lekhalloteynu, veHaQadosh Barukh Hu' matzileinu miyyadam!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Korach himself was not. Perhaps "Congregation Anshe Korach" or "Congregation Avodah Zarah"..


40 posted on 04/10/2006 8:16:30 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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